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Oct. 12, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Determining Seeding

Navy ... We believe you are incorrect in your analysis ... The #1 and #2 Seeds were predetermined to be the two participants in the USA National Championship Game, with the winner of that game earning the #1 position in the bracket, and the loser being #2 ... The remaining 29 teams were seeded conventionally into the #3 through #31 slots ... There were only nine (9) unbeaten (at 2-0) teams, not 11, including one of the two USA National Game participants ... The link below will give you the details of those seeding assignments ...

50-Majors: Seeding Control


Oct. 12, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: USA Championship seeding game

Not a penalty situation ... If the other half of the USA game doesn't show up, the team that did is involved in the seeding game process exactly like all other teams ... They are scheduled against "random" opponents and all of their seeding games are played on the same format as the rest of the bracket pool ... We DO give them the US National Champions 1st place award package, but the #1 Seed is not part of that package ... This is not a difficult concept to grasp ...
Oct. 11, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: USA Championship seeding game

Quick hitters ...

The structure of seeding the USA National Championship game participants into the top two slots in brackets of five or more teams is NOT going to change in the foreseeable future ... This is a Tournament Administration decision made at the Home Office and not within the purview of the Rules Committee ...
Only four teams "ran the table" from the #1 Seed position in their respective brackets after winning the USA National Game and being unbeaten in pool play: MBA Elite (23-team 60-Major), Hamel Builders/Superior Softball (9-team 60-Major+), Florida Investment Properties (6-team 80-Major) and Dreamgirlz (7-team 50-Women) ...
Teams that skip the Eastern or Western National Championships have made a decision that will not be allowed to adversely affect teams that did choose to attend (even if it's only one team) ... Everyone knows what is at stake, but it's sort of like the Lottery advertising you see in a lot of places: You can't win if you don't play ...
The format of the USA National Championship games, with opponents being specifically arranged (and not randomly selected) and playing a full seven innings instead of "on the clock", will not be allowed to adversely affect the seeding of the participating teams under any tie-breaker provisions ...


Oct. 11, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

Pitcher22 ... You would be most welcome to attend the sessions ... The format last year, and presumably this year, allowed for six hours of open public sessions, three hours each on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning ... The working sessions were Thursday afternoon and Friday morning, which are also open to the public, but only as observers ... Occasionally, voting members will solicit input from the public observers ...

Your role as a public member would be to make a presentation to the Committee in the hopes it would be strong enough to persuade the Chairman to add that topic to the official Agenda ... Merely showing up will not guarantee any action by the Committee, on any topic ... The most effective manner to accomplish this is to present an orderly, logical and compelling reason why the Committee should revisit this topic so soon after the most recent polling showed an insignificant (at best) trending of 0.1% support for the "1-1 Count" over the previous six years ...

The Committee also gratefully accepts formal correspondence by regular mail to our Home Office and/or by email to info@seniorsoftball.com with the words "Rules Committee" in the Subject line ... NOTE: Message Board posts are excluded from Agenda consideration by the Rules Committee due to the generally unregulated and anonymous nature of the posters, many of whom are not registered players ...

Regarding the Committee membership ... From last year's Official Minutes ... Members not currently playing are in italic font ...

Bill Ruth (WA - SSUSA President - Chairman), Terry Hennessy (CA - SSUSA CEO), Fran Dowell (CA - SSUSA Executive Director), Cal Allison (FL), David Barnes (NV - LVSSA), Michael Boone (NJ), Don Brooks (TX), Dave Dowell, National Director (CA), George Fernandes (NV - LVSSA), Jerry Jackson (IL), Randy Rowe (MO), Otis Rowland (CA/OK)

Committee members unable to attend: Carl Gustafson (CA), Dale McWhorter (AL), Rick Seifman, National U.I.C. (AZ) and Joe Yacano, National Director (IL)

The public member participants were: Ron Grassi, National Director (WA), Michael Koch (NC), Tim McElroy, Regional Director (MD), Donna McGuire, Regional U.I.C. (MO) and Chuck Sharkey (NY).

We welcome your participation under whatever method fits your circumstances ...


Oct. 10, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA/SSUSA WORLD MASTERS CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014 Results

Detail Seeding and Bracket game scores for the third session are now available from the links below and on the Tournament Page ...
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Game Scores & Bracket Results (PDF)

40-Masters: Men | Women

Senior Men: 50's | 55's | 60's | 65's | 70's | 75's | 80's & 85's

Senior Women: 50's

Complete: All Ages & Divisions (Large File: 97 pages)


Oct. 10, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: USA Championship seeding game

Here's a portion of our August 14th post in this topic ... Emphasis is added for this re-post and to refresh your memory on the specifics ...
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The winner of each USA National game, in divisions having five (5) or more teams, earns the #1 Seed for bracket play, and the loser earns the #2 Seed. There are two reasons for this: The USA National games are pre-determined and not part of the randomly generated seeding play; and, they are not played under the same time limits as other seeding round games. With the first tie-breaker after head to head being aggregate runs allowed, a guaranteed seven-inning game may put both of the participating teams at an unfair disadvantage, especially if the game goes to extra innings. In 2012 in Phoenix, one USA National game ended 30-26 in nine innings. The winner finished 2-0 and was seeded #9 (of the nine unbeaten teams in the division). The runner-up also lost their second game and was seeded #29 of 29.

NOTE: Teams eligible to play in a USA National game that does not occur due to lack of an opponent will not automatically receive a #1 Seed. They will be subject to the same seeding criteria as all other teams in their division.


Oct. 10, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA/SSUSA WORLD MASTERS CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014 Results

Results for Sessions #2 and #3 (1st, 2nd and 3rd Place in each Division) have been posted to the Tournament Page ... Detail Seeding and Bracket game scores for the first two sessions are also available there ...
Oct. 9, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Determining Seeding

Because sometimes (it's rare), say in an 8-team bracket, three teams will be 2-0 and three more will be 0-2, with the last two being (obviously) 1-1 ... If those two played each other, that would constitute a "full round robin" between those two teams, and the winner would receive the nod for the higher seed ...

Aggregate runs allowed is a higher priority tie-breaker criteria than run differential from a sportsmanship perspective ... We would much prefer to reward your team with a higher seed by you playing good defense rather than by thinking "...We're ahead by 15 now against this really over-matched opponent, but if we can hang up another 20 or so runs in the top of the open inning, we may get a higher seed! ..."

There is some support for eliminating the run differential tie breaker altogether and making the flip-flop rule mandatory in pool play like it is in bracket play ... As it is now, net run differential is the third (of four) tie-breaker criteria, just one step ahead of the coin toss ...


Oct. 9, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Determining Seeding

ronkers ... Please re-read the Format section of the Seeding Schedule page ... Because what the tie-breaker format actually says is: Tie Breakers - Head to head (in full RR only), least runs allowed, run differential, coin toss ... A two-game seeding structure does not constitute a full round robin for a 23-team bracket pool ...
Oct. 9, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas parksfields, applies to other events as well. LIGHTS

Wisconsin Masters defeated Hannington's 20-19 in the "If" game after Hannington's had forced that game by winning Championship Game #1 (23-18)...
Oct. 9, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

New enrollments annually are coming in at about the same pace and age mix as they did between 2006 and 2012, during which time there was only a nominal growth rate of 0.1% trending in favor of the 1-1 count ... This issue was last raised at the 2012 Rules Committee Sessions during the Annual Convention in Mesquite, NV ... Here is the relevant section from the Official Minutes of that session:

RULEBOOK 6.2 PITCH COUNT The annual discussion of implementing the 1-1" starting pitch count occurred. ACTION: MOTION TO TABLE PASSED 8-3 SSUSA Staff was instructed to prepare a membership preference survey, to be completed and tabulated by the end of December, on this issue for study and potential action in a Special Session by Telephone of the Rules Committee in early January.

The result of that preference survey is as noted above in a prior post by us ... Presumably based on the results of that survey, there was no mention of the "1-1 Count" issue at the 2013 Rules Committee Sessions in Concord, NC ... Time will tell if the matter even comes up this time around in Tupelo, MS in early December ... The Rules Committee Sessions are open to public attendance and input by the membership, and you are most welcome to come and make a presentation ...

Thanks for your interest ...


Oct. 9, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas parksfields, applies to other events as well. LIGHTS

taits ... Games were played at night where permitted, with the primary obstacle being the imposition of restrictions for local league play ... Restrictions were:

SUNSET - League seven days a week on four of six fields beginning at 6:15 PM
ARROYO GRANDE / RUSSELL ROAD / DOS ESCUELAS - League Monday through Fridays beginning at 6:00 PM
BIG LEAGUE DREAMS - League Sunday through Friday on all six fields beginning at 6:00 PM (BLD did defer leagues on 10/03/14)

A further complicating factor in Session #3 was another tournament promoter having sole access to DESERT BREEZE, DESERT BLOOM and RUSSELL ROAD all three days, making them unavailable to us ...

We did play into the night at SHADOW ROCK, HOLLYWOOD, LORENZI and DOC ROMEO when required and we attempted to NOT play after dark for the 70's, 75's, 80's and 85's as a safety issue ...

Take a peek at the Master Planning Grids and look for last game times by day ... Some of the venues with late play actually ended much later than scheduled ...


Oct. 8, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Pitcher from Chicago 55 AAA

RV22 ... Please thank her on our behalf for her professional assistance ... Her presence and actions were invaluable in stabilizing the Pitcher before the ambulance people got there ...
Oct. 8, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Who won.

Wisconsin Masters defeated Hannington's 20-19 in the "If" game after Hannington's had forced that game by winning Championship Game #1 (23-18)...
Oct. 8, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Pitcher from Chicago 55 AAA

Boog3434 ... We are pleased to report that the pitcher from Old Stars suffered "only" a concussion and was able to travel home safely ... His face mask prevented what would have certainly been a catastrophic injury ... Thank you for asking, and best wishes to him for a full and speedy recovery ...
Oct. 7, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

It's a hot topic every year with a tiny minority of message board posters. It may come up at the Annual Convention Rules Committee meets, but only if there is a motion to consider that can get a second. Currently, there is no compelling reason to re-poll so soon after the last time around, especially with the trending curve at making up 0.1% over a six year period. This is simply an annual exercise for the message board posters who disagree with the majority of players who chose to respond to the most recent survey. There are no plans to re-poll in the foreseeable future.
Oct. 7, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

ffdonnie ... We did some looking and you do have an email address in our player database that (redacted) contains: dono###@xxxxxxx.net ... If that was your email address in December, 2012, we have narrowed down why you didn't vote to one of only two possible options: [1] you received the survey email and chose not to respond; or [2] the email ended up in your junk folder instead of your inbox ... Neither of those options is our fault ...


Oct. 7, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

ffdonnie ... Registering for this message board by providing a (then) valid email address DOES NOT add that email address to your official SSUSA player record UNLESS you link them when you log in to access your player page ... The survey was sent only to the 17,592 email addresses from the player database since there are so many message board posters who are not registered SSUSA players ...

To repeat from above: If you didn't vote, you either had not provided us with a valid email address, ignored the invitation to participate in the survey or aren't (or weren't) a registered player in late 2012 ... There is also a fourth possibility that may exist ... The email may have been diverted from your inbox to a Junk folder ... We may survey this issue again in a few years, but a statistically insignificant 0.1% difference in opinion over six years doesn't indicate any real change in preference by the membership since 2006 ...


Oct. 6, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

Just a couple of quick items to place some facts out there for clarification ...

Pitcher22 - The 2012 survey was sent electronically to all of the 17,592 people in the SSUSA Player Database who had provided us with an email address ... If you didn't vote, you either had not provided us with a valid email address, ignored the invitation to participate in the survey or aren't (or weren't) a registered player in late 2012 ...

Tim ... Fewer innings played in the Major+ are the result of that division's desire to play 7 runs per -inning at bat than all other factors combined ... The five-inning games you are referring to at this year's World Masters resulted from the implementation of SSUSA Rulebook 11.1(1) on page 56 to recover from the loss of 40 games due to inclement weather on Friday night, an approach that worked exactly as designed ...

We are probably due for another look at this issue on the 6-year cycle sometime in 2018 ...


Oct. 6, 2014
SSUSA Staff
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 1 and 1 pitch count

The 2012 "1-1 Count" survey results are available from the following link ... Support/opposition for either side of the proposition varied both by age and by geographic area of the country ...

2012 Survey: 1-1-Count Results Analysis


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