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July 9, 2013
Tommy00
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Playing out of your division in a tournament

My main hope in this is to come up with a solution that gets everyone fair games so that we can practice for Vegas. Not trying to call anyone out or make anyone look bad, but we got removed from a tournament because there isn't a decent solution in place for our situation.

I would definitely say that the 50 Major team expected to beat us! :)

Hopefully someone in power sees this and thinks that there is a shred of a good idea so we don't get pushed out of future competition just because we don't have a bracket to play in.

Thanks for your time folks,

Tommy
July 9, 2013
Tommy00
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Playing out of your division in a tournament

Ok, let me explain it a little more -- too many details in my head that I left out.

This was a SSUSA sanctioned tournament. We signed our 40 AAA team up, but there were no other 40+ teams. Because of this, we had to play against 50+ teams. We played pool games and bracket games against them. We did not give up any runs in the pool games, but in the single elim bracket play, we did.

We lost a pool play game heads up against a 50+ Major team, but beat them in an elimination game when we gave them 5 runs. Had they won, they would have been in the finals of the tournament.

Please ask questions so I can clarify more if needed.


July 9, 2013
Tommy00
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Playing out of your division in a tournament

Recently, my team played in a tournament where there were no other teams in our age division. By rule, we played up a division and gave runs where necessary. We heard lots of complaining about us being in the tournament and because we were using SSUSA approved bats (which 2/3 of our team doesn't even use). Since then, we were forced to withdraw from a tournament because several of the teams that we played against complained enough. We were / are only looking for Senior Softball tournament experience to prepare for Vegas.

Looking back, I think it is unfair that we were emliminating teams from a tournament that we couldn't win ourselves. My time in the military taught me that I should never point out or complain about something without offering a solution, so I have a couple of possibilities that I would like to offer up.

1. Let teams who are outside the age division of the bracket play more pool games to get their minimum guaranteed games. These games should not count for the seeding of teams playing bracket games.

2. Let the team(s) play the same number of pool games as the other teams, then let them play against the teams eliminated from the bracket games. This gives the eliminated teams an extra game of experience as well. If the non-division team loses, they are done. This gives them the feel of being in bracket play, yet they aren't eliminating the teams from the bracket.

3. Keep things as is. If a team signs up for a tournament and there aren't any other teams in their age division, put them against the closest age division. Let the teams give up runs where appropriate, and put them in the bracket as seeded.

Let us toss this around for a bit and see what everyone thinks.

Tommy


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