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Jan. 16, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Very true.
Jan. 16, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Heard about this today, and at least the one "expert" who was commenting thought it might go to court and that the plaintiff has a case.
Jan. 16, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Omar, I know it happens but this lawsuit thing is just so silly and sad. Yes they essentially admitted the danger, but by doing so almost precluded any suits. Hiding a known danger might be reason for legal action, and that happens in society ALL the time, but admitting it and then letting the consumers make their own free choices should absolve them from any responsibility.

I would feel so stupid if I had the facts, freely made what turned out to be a bad decision, and then tried to find someone else to bail me out. But I guess some/many stil do.
Jan. 15, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

cal, I understand your last comment. But keep in mind those "young players at the top of their game pitchers" were also pitching against young, top of their game hitters.

In senior ball pitchers are facing old guys who in many, but I know not all, cases their exit speeds are being greatly enhanced by the bats. Remove those and you greatly reduce the need for the masks and greatly increase the confidence of the pitchers.

All just band-aids that don't address the source of the bleeding.
Jan. 15, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

My apologies, but who is Woody? Who ranks pitchers? ESPN? USA Today? The Associated Press?

Anyway, my comment was not meant at anyone in particular, but as a general rule of thumb I believe it. Certainly not across the board, but when I see it it does make me wonder a bit.

cal, nothing that takes away freedom of choice in the United States is a "good idea". Wearing a mask if you so choose certainly can be a good idea, but mandating it is not. Well, not unless insurance companies or legal counsel are suggesting/requiring it. But SSUSA won't admit that. Somehow they just seem to know what is better for us than we do. :(
Jan. 15, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

modi, what the pitcher wearing a mask also tells me is (a) he is lacking a bit of confidence in his defensive abilities and/or (b) he is a bit deficient defensively.

Either way, or both, assuming no 5-man it makes the middle even a better possibility for getting a base hit. I grew up with the entire field being "open", that is how the game was meant to be played. I stopped having to call my field decades ago on the playground when we were playing 5-on-5 like kids used to do all day long.
Jan. 15, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

I know it happens, WAY too often, but why would anyone sue for assumed risk? They honestly don't know the risk they are taking when they play? They really believe someone promised them the mask would protect them from any and everything?

Such a shame! Where is the pride?
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

wood, those aren't the best analogies. Kind of like telling blacks in the 40s if they don't like sitting in the back of the bus they can go back to Africa. And if I smoke in your house I potentially hurt you, your family, your furniture, etc. If I don't wear a mask, who am I hurting?

Very sorry about your cousin, but again that was his choice to not make a very good choice. People have fought and died for things like that.

j33 makes some excellent points.

0, no.
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Staff, for adults? Correct. Children are a different story. Same with helmets on bikes and motorcycles.

Certainly they are prudent, no question. But that is not an excuse for taking away personal freedoms and choices.

Agreed common sense is not all that common. And we do live in a strange society where you need to be licensed to groom a dog but everyone is allowed to raise a child. But still no excuse to take away free choice.
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Fred, the need for the rule is artificial, created by the "need" for senior bats.

Sure you are going to miss one, that has always been the case. But something is much different now than even 10 year ago.

As far as "getting used to" things, I have known guys who have lost limbs and by some definition they get used to it. But that is not justification for having it happen. If it is, you have set the bar extremely low.
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is Pitching Mask mandatory

Just curious, why are you now legislating personal choice? Besides himself, if the pitcher chooses not to wear a mask and gets hit who has he hurt besides himself?

Have you admitted yet that this rule most likely came from your insurance carrier and/or legal counsel?
Jan. 13, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

Pricer, if the batters you are referring to were really some kind of humanitarians they would not be using the bats that endanger not just pitchers but basically all infielders.
Jan. 13, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

"seeing balls hit the rubber is a very common occurrence"

Again, maybe I am one of the few lucky ones but my 40 years in the game tells me something very, very different than this.

"Most umpires don't give you 12 feet, they give you their version of 12 ft"

Most give you more. You have little idea how low 12' is. Many NCAA/NBA players can reach 12', or roughly the top of the backboard. VERY few of these guys would be able to block the high pitches that many umps allow.

What makes players think they know how high 12' is any more than the umpires do? Umpires have FAR more reason to be objective in this than the players, and particularly pitchers, do.
Jan. 13, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

People will tend to gladly take as much as others are willing to give. SSUSA is certainly taking, and apparently the players are more than willing to give.
Jan. 11, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

coop, then call me lucky, I guess. :)

And I have been hit, twice. My fault both times, just didn't get my hands in position in time. No one else to blame.

Fleck, what do you propose when the chalk line is gone. And trust me, particular on a dry field but even if it isn't dusty, the chalk line will disappear.

What does everyone think about getting rid of the cause of all the rule changes, and not just addressing the symptoms?
Jan. 11, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

Webbie25, they will never start listening. Too many parks, too many fields, and too many multi-use fields with multiple rubbers that the associations do not control.

I suppose anything is possible once or maybe twice, but how many times have you guys actually seen or been hit yourself by a deflection off the rubber? Seriously.
Jan. 10, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

yooper, maybe I am but I have honestly never had an incident with the rubber. Now I have had problems on fields with multiple rubbers and catching a spike on one of the rubbers behind me while backing up. But never with a bad bounce off of one.

I know what you are saying, but a good pitcher would take that 4' and want to make it 5. So that would be the reason.

Ceres, to take your examples a step further if a ball off of an unnecessary senior bats hit you in the chest maybe your heart stops and you die. And we have all read about people who got hit in the chest and that very thing can and has happened. All so some old guy can feel good about himself.
Jan. 10, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: suggestions to stop all the complaining about home runs & dead ball outs

What is the rush? The beauty of baseball/softball, or at least it used to be, is that it is the only game without a clock.
Jan. 10, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: where are all the pitchers

Having pitched for many years, and maybe I am the exception, I have never seen a pitcher hit by a ball deflected off the rubber. And if you do remove it, how will anyone know where to pitch from? A chalk line will last a couple of innings, less with a sharp pitcher out there gradually removing it.
Jan. 9, 2014
Skeptical
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: suggestions to stop all the complaining about home runs & dead ball outs

southern, I realize that might not have been a perfect analogy, but I believe SSUSA will tell you they did confer with some type of a "focus group".

No doubt this is all due to possible litigation and associated costs. A local league went to both a screen and the siging of a mandatory waiver by all players. I see no other reason for those actions.

Would be mighty difficult to eat a sandwich that size through a mask. LOL
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