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Feb. 14, 2013 the wood	Topic: Bats Discussion: New Reebok? Who did you hear this from, Cliff Claven, as he was expounding on the 'buffalo theory of bats'? Or did you hear it from someone in a responsible position? Who is 'they'? Should we presume that you sell the Ambush? Bob Woodroof
Feb. 12, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Best infielders-in your opinion John, three of those guys played with GSF (Alan, Billy, Cliff) and were/are as good as you stated. They are all excellent hitters and teammates as well. Neither of them start many sentences with the word 'I'. All 3 of them could lead off, bat second (not at the same time) or wherever. Two of them are also in the beer drinkers HOF. Two of them play with us this season (Full Circle 65). Cliff looks the oldest but is only 64 or so. He also is directionally challenged at times... most notably when he leaves Lazy Harry's in Bullhead City, AZ. :-) He plays with Randy Hendricks (60 M+). Since you lumped Bert in with these guys I can only assume that he's as good as them because I trust your judgement. BW
Feb. 8, 2013 the wood	Topic: Bats Discussion: Hard time getting ahold of Team 1 sports re: broken Ambush We've been buying Combats from Kevin Schullstrom for 6 years or so. Conservatively speaking, I would guess that we've bought 30-40 from him (as a team) and we've had a couple of ones w/ end cap issues but not many. He also recommended Marine Glue. We have also had some 'duds' or less than lively ones... again, very few. But when we did Kevin replaced them for us (one gray model and 2 White Centenarians). All of the replacements were what we've come to expect of Combat and Kevin, top notch. Bob Woodroof
Feb. 6, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Tim: I would have no problem down grading the bats... been saying this for years. I also have no problem leaving them as they are... lots of $ spent by lots of folks, etc. Southernson: I believe you when you say that. I've also heard from others that play in the FHC and Mad Dog in TX. I would have no problem playing with the 1-1. There have been many passionate threads on this board over the years. This entire thread has been acedemic. Looking back at it I am surprised at just how much the 1-1 count means to some people. This fervor turns some folks off, perhaps unfairly. Too often we focus on our differences. What do we all have in common? We love softball... and the people within it. We're losing some every year. For those of us in the older divisions (65+) we're losing them in greater numbers every year. Sam Pearson passed last month and, IMO, very little was said about him. It was because of players like Sam that Turn Two has been able to bat 11 or less and maintain a very solid defense. They've done this for the beter part of 8 years and done it extremely well. Tim, I realize that I'm off course here but you've taken this thread (the one you initiated) from soup to nuts so forgive me for this. Sal Silva also passed and too little was mentioned, IMO. The man played for 12-13 years and played it passionately. He was a frequent contributor on this board, particularly about bats. He was a student of them... On our team we have 6-7 cancer survivors (of various forms) and one guy has had a stroke. I won't even go into the many ortho surgeries. Our team mantra is to enjoy every game, play to win and thoroughly enjoy each other and the competition that we play. To summarize, we ought to be more cognizant of our similarities and be thankful that we're able to do something that less than 2% of seniors can. At times we look for black lining in the silver cloud. No one more guilty of this than me. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Tim, that's a horse of a different color. Pitchers will continue to be at risk as long as we use 1.21 bats. But aren't you a guy that goes middle quite a bit? How do balance your desire for pitcher safety and trying to hit middle? I have a hard time w/ this dilemma. I play infield (1b) and I know how short the reaction time has become. So I'm reticent to go middle at times. Would it make any difference if a pitcher was hit on the 1st pitch or the 4th one? BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney The 56 is low but it was for AAA. The 3 hRs will stretch them out. As for upper divisions, if the new rules don't increase the % then perhaps the vote will change. Until it does we ought to look at Wes' comments and use them to speed the game along. I also understand that time is a greater driving force at your level than for my age level (65). Most of us are just thankful to be alive, healthy & playing. Hence the higher % that favor the 3-2. Do take the opportuity to call/email me. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Swing: Come on. With reduced runs/inning the 68% will clearly increase. The 40 M+ went 7 in every game. I clearly understand your point about the time saved by the 1-1 count. It would save some time. So would the many things that Wes stated. To answer a previous question of yours, I do not like the thought of losing an at bat. There are many factors that go into this in addition to the count. We've played 1-1 count events and we did fine with it. I meant it when I said that we'd continue to compete, 1-1 or 3-2. The bottom line for me is... How serious is the problem and what are the best alternatives? BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Swing: I stand corrected. The WMC numbers that I gave you was for the 50AAA. My fault! The actual 50 M numbers were 74, 31 and 1. This means that 68.5% of those games went 7 innings. Only 1 went less than 6 innings. So roughly 2/3 of the games went the full 7. WMC = World Masters Championship Toodles! BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Swing: This is your lucky day! You're about to get double the facts for the price of none. I believe that you played 50 M last year (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken). In your division in Reno there were a total of 25 games. Now you mentioned that your team went 7 innings last year ' only a handful of times'. Yet the 50 M division had 24 7seven inning games and one that wasn't. If you were there, you had to play in at least 4 of the 7 inning games. That's real close to a handful... but not close enough. In the WMC in LV, held last October... in the 50 M division there were 160 games. Wow! That is a lot of games. Would you care to speculate as to the ratio of 7 inning games v. shorter ones? Did your team play in LV last October? Would anyone else wish to take a shot at this? Assuming a 'no' response... roughly 97.5% went 6-7 innings... 56.9% went 7 innings. As stated before, some other rule changes will increase the number of 7 inning games over the 2012 numbers. I guess that a 'no-brainer' means different things to different people. Now I'm sorry that you think that you're being picked on. I told you before not to dish it out if you can't take it. As long as everyone plays by your rules you're happy to play. But if anyone disputes 'your facts' you want to play the 'weak tit' game. I don't particularly like to 'baffled by bs' and tend to react negatively when this occurs. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney I never have felt that the speed of my at bats were as important as the results. But if you want to know anything personal about me you can email me @ awtgroupsc@aol.com. Or, if you prefer, you can call me... 714 325-1017. Serious inquiries only. BTW, when someone who is more anecdotal than factual begins a sentence with 'seems to me' my BS flag goes up. What ARE the facts? Do you have them at your disposal? How about answering the same question that Southernson ignored? Just how serious is the problem that you and Tim continuously dredge up? i.e. how often does the game go 7 innings v. not. And I'm not talking about games in your backyard... I'm talking about national events. Start with the tourney in LV last October. Let me simplify it for you... in your division, whatever that was, of the total games played, how many went less than 7 innings? Your type of propaganda annoys the shit out of me. You purport that anyone voting against your weak premise is fearful. Yet you have never come up with any real data. I know, Tim started this post off with it... BS. He started it off by stating what he wanted us to know. When Wes asked for the guts of the matter no one has come forth. Can you create a controlled environment? You really want to know more about me I've given you options. The ball is on your court. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Tim19: Gee, was that your 'tongue in cheek' reference to the Peter Principles? Priceless. Who is it that constantly refers to pickles and 'under the SF bleachers? You're very predictable when it comes to taking a conversational detour. Re: the demographics of the 1-1 count vote... do you know of a way to make chicken salad out of chicken droppings? I hope that you do because, no matter how you slice it, the over all vote favored the 3-2 count. Perhaps you now can be the message board guy that craves/demands attention no matter how far off his comments are from reality. The key is that you occasionally need to throw in a logical one... that will be your challenge. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney He sure as hell doesn't seem to be aware of the 'Peter Principles'... this is a level of incompetency seldom attained. BW
Feb. 5, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Southernson: You should take comfort in knowing that those of us older players (that voted against the 1-1 count) did so because of an inadequate blood supply to our brains. Well, we've progressed from being fearful to being light-headed. Thanks for the promotion as I didn't think that we could ever escape the 'fear tag'. You mentioned that we'll miss out on one 'at bat' per game. Was/is this based upon fact or just anecdotal? Now that AAA has instigated the 3 HR rule won't this give you that 'at bat' back to you? Will this not have a greater impact of the number of innings played than the count? Likewise for the higher levels won't the fewer runs/inning create more time than the count? Also, since you seem to be a student of math... what would you say was the ratio of games that went the full 7 ot those that went less? I'm referring to the 2012 World Masters Championship in Las Vegas. Let's just lay all of our cards out on the table here and put the BS behind us. BW
Feb. 4, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Tim: What do you & Leo Tolstoi have in common? You both lead w/ verbosity... And wrap it up w/ wordiness. If you feel that the 1-1 count will shake the world for me, it won't. Do we wear the red shirt tomorrow or the black one? Does it really matter? I will say this though... Imo, you do your homework and you state your case (at times too frequently) but you always seem to maintain a level of decorum. Most folks as passionate as you cannot do this. I respect this. BW
Feb. 4, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Werner von swing: Do you know what it was that Chicken Little was known to say? 'The sky is falling'. That is what all of this whining sounds like to me. It has nothing to with being an internet tough guy. Btw, weren't the one who threw out the fear card? If can't take the heat don't light matches. Had the vote gone the other direction you can bet your ass that I wouldn't be on this site lamenting it. The rules are what they, just show up & play. We're lucky to be playing ball at this age and several guys that have played it well have died recently. To me, that's something to be mourned, not whatever count we use. For what it's worth, we played a senior game on Sat and played 7 innings (w/ 3-2 count). So what? Almost all of the games in this league go 7? So what? GI: I agree with you on most of the things you've stated. But I still ask if SSUSA was unfair in using a popular vote to decide the outcome of the count? BW
Feb. 4, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney Swing: Are you just small minded or were they rhetorical questions? I really don't care it it's 1-1 or 3-2. I just get tired of the persistent whining. When a guy like audie hollis says that it (1-1) works well in the FHC league I buy into it. When chronic chicken littles like you & tim say it, I tend to doubt it. I guess that it boils down to credibility... Simple as that. You might want to stop with the 'fear card'. This has nothing to do with fear. BW
Feb. 4, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 1-1 count no extra foul tourney GI, What does fariness have to do with this issue? Do you think that SSUSA has been unfair in allowing the outcome to be decided by a vote? Would you guys like someone to turn the dead horse over? Surely you can find a guy that knows how... or maybe insert another dead one in its place. That ship sailed about a month ago. Pardon the multiple euphemisms. BW
Jan. 29, 2013 the wood	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Sal Silva Passed Away 1/28/2013 I knew that Sal had been ill w/ ALS but he never mentioned it on here. He was an up beat guy and he will be missed. I'm sorry to hear this. BW
Jan. 16, 2013 the wood	Topic: Players looking to join a team Discussion: Tournment Pitcher from NY looking to join a team We played in Hemet (Jan 10-11) where it was about 27 degrees @ game time... and that was the best of the 2 days. :-) BW
Jan. 16, 2013 the wood	Topic: Players looking to join a team Discussion: Tournment Pitcher from NY looking to join a team Cerce, I guess that you missed out on the Humility 101 class @ Iona. Perhaps you can catch the one @ NYU. If you're half as good as you state you wouldn't have to tell us about it. Maybe you can mix in a visit to the 'I' doctor on your way home from NYU. BW

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