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Sept. 1, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call - Crash at Second Base

GETTING AN OUT AT 2ND BASE.... lets remember that the bag belongs to the base runner, any fielder attempting a play at 2nd base should be going across the bag not standing on it. To many times I see a fielder plopped right in the middle of the bag. If a runner is going into 2nd base and is going to be out he should veer off and usually to the outfield side of the bag. Failure to do so and then making contact with the fielder, the umpire should call the runner out and then the closest runner to the plate to complete the double play. SSUSA has now established that a fielder does not have to release the ball in order for this call to be made. If a runner while going into 2nd veers off to avoid a collision and then the fielder drops the ball and by the judgement of the umpire he would have been safe going directly to the bag he should be called safe and awarded 2nd base.
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball

if the base coach is in his designated coaches box and in my judgement didnt intentionaly interfere with the play i would have a dead ball and return the runners if they advavced after the ball hitting the coach
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball

because if he was standing in the on deck circle where he belongs and the defense fails to stop/catch a thrown ball from the outfield I would not penalize the offense...OP also said he tried to avoid the ball hitting him...Offensive teams are allowed 2 base coaches and an on deck batter to be out of the dugout. Now if batter was near home plate picking up a bat or just standing there that would be different....then I would have interference
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call - Crash at Second Base

1st call....if B/R was going for a double, why was fielder standing on the bag? This is a tag play not a force out.....the base belongs to the runner the fielder should straddle the bag for the tag. Now if it was a good throw and the fielder was standing there holding the ball for a tag and the runner ran into him I would have an out and a warning on the runner .......2nd call....both these call are judgement calls by the umpire and hard to answer without seeing the play but if the runner is out by more than a couple steps he must veer off or slide into bag and in Senior Softball you do not have to attempt to throw the ball to make a double play...if in the judgement of the umpire the fielder could have turned two..B/R is out or runner closet to the plate
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball

let me add one thing to that scenario...many times in tour ball the offense seems to have the need to have 4 or 5 guys on deck milling around.....if that happened i would have interfernce on the play and call runner out just to punish them for being stupid
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball

I dont like automatic bail out calls...If the ball was thrown that far off line and there was no chance for the defense to make a play on the runner and the ball hits the on deck batter who was trying to avoid the ball then I would have called dead ball and sent the runners back to there previous base....now if the on deck batter was in the field of play picking up a bat then I would have interference
Aug. 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call - Infield Fly

i wrote this scenario up and sent it to the national uic about 7yrs ago because I witnessed the same thing. His response was that umpires must be responsible for their actions. Once the call is made there is no turning back....(like calling a foul ball to soon and having curve back in fair) batter is out and runners advance at their own risk. That is why they teach you not to call INF to early....and now the rule change helps you out in that you can call it after the play, if you didnt call it.
Aug. 27, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foul Territory

JimmyG....correct rule but a pitcher should never get called for an illegal pitch in this situation....the umpire should stop play and make the outfielder move into the field of play before the pitch
Aug. 26, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: 4 base error andrequired runner advancement

Staff...OP was confusing...I also thought the batted ball went off the fileders glove and over the fence...question...on a batted ball that in the judgement of the umpire would have been an over the fence home run and the fielder throws his glove up and knocks the ball down...wouldnt the award then be 4 bases?
Aug. 22, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call

Garocket...Rule...1.37 • INTENTIONALLY DROPPED FLY BALL
If a fielder intentionally drops, or lets drop, a fair fly ball, including a line drive,
that can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort with first base only, or first
base and any other base(s), with less than two outs, only one recorded out may
be made on the play. This is an umpire's judgment call. SECTION 9 MISCELLANEOUS 9.1 • DEAD BALL....U. When a fair batted fly ball, including a line drive, that can be handled by any
infielder with ordinary effort, is intentionally dropped, with less than two outs,
and with a runner or runners on base at the time. EXCEPTION: An “infield
fly” is a live ball.
Aug. 22, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call

stick, I would say that after the defense argued the no call on the IFR that the umpires must now call it, as far as the runners I would leave them at 2nd and 3rd because this was still a live ball situation and the rule states that the runners may advance at there own risk....maybe next time the SS will just catch the ball...stick...a different outcome would be if runners were on 1st and 3rd and SS drops an easy pop up....then it would be a dead ball, batter is out and runners have to return to their original base.
Aug. 22, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call

INF should be called at the peak of the hit, if the tour. was using SSUSA rules it could also be called after the play is complete if the umpires didn't call it but then deemed it neceaasry to protect the runners. The scenario you gave was that the ball landed 10 feet behind the 3rd baseman I would consider this umpire judgement in that it was not a routine catch and the fielder apparently was not camped out underneath the ball. I also think the umpires explanation of the 3rd baseman saying he lost the ball in the sun was a bail out.
Aug. 12, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

per the O/P by Garocket...below is a rules supplement from ASA...The last sentance explains that it doesnt matter when the infraction occured the out is when the appeal is made....so that makes it the 3rd out of the inning and per the rules no runs would score...ASA RULES SUPPLEMENT,1.Appeals.. J. Force Out. When an appeal is the third out and a force out, no runs shall score. The force is reinstated when a forced runner retreats toward the base first occupied and they may be put out if the defense tags the runner or the base to which they are forced. When the batter-runner is put out prior to reaching first base, all force outs are eliminated. On an appeal play, the force out is determined when the appeal is made, not when the infraction occurred
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

jrhunch you are correct on your first scenario with runner returning to 1st base runner from 3rd would score. I'm not sure what you mean by 2 runs should have counted in PaulP's scenario his runner scored from 3rd and runner on 1st ended up on 3rd.
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

Garocket...not all appeal plays are time plays. If a runner is FORCED to advance such as PaulP's scenario "runners on first and third, two outs". that runner missing 2nd base is still considered a form of a force out on appeal and runner scoring from 3rd would not count
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

its a force out .....no runs scored.....again why dont UIC's answer the rules questions
July 20, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

baseballbill....i dont know if that is possible
July 19, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

the rule says a fair ball is one that TOUCHES first, second or third base it does not say that the ball has to pass by the bag to be fair
July 18, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

1st fair ball 2nd fair ball 3rd fair ball ......... 1.22 • FAIR BALL....A fair ball is a legally batted ball that: B. Bounds over or past first or third base, which is in fair territory, regardless of where the ball hits after going over the base.
D. Touches first, second or third base.
July 16, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

Garocket I agree RULE 1.22 D that the ball is fair once it hits the base .....but I have been told many times from UIC's in SSUSA when a specific rule cannot be found look at ASA because their rule book is more specific. That is why I posted this..... ASA Section 8.....RUNNER IS NOT OUT...8 E. When a runner is hit with a fair untouched batted ball over foul territory that,in the umpire’s judgment no fielder had an opportunity to make an out. we'll see what STAFF says
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