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March 26, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: OBSTRUCTION

wow...really the runner makes a mistake by not seeing his team mate on 2nd and is lucky enough to get back to bag by obstruction call, and now you turn around and award him 2nd when he couldnt get there in the 1st place....doesnt seem right to me...I get that he gets 1st base from obstruction but 2nd also???
Dec. 27, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: STAFF question on scoring of runs

stick8 i agree with your scenario...read my OP below...and as I answered the STAFF response. That scenario they gave is not an actual appeal play the defense made a play on a runner who had not tagged that is considered a force out if the ball beats runner back to bag... just like a line drive in the infield...if a fileder throws a caught line drive back to the bag that a runner had left the runner is out...NO APPEAL NEEDED... I asked for an scenario when the run WOULD NOT SCORE...OP... My question is the 2nd part of the rule 5.7 ....No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of a live ball appeal play prior to the lead runner crossing the scoring line. when could this happen???
Oct. 30, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Was a rule voted in?????

yes it has been changed....once B/R has attained 1st base both runner and defense can now use orange safety bag.
Oct. 29, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: STAFF question on scoring of runs

thx for your response, but I dont really consider that a true appeal play... even with out the fielder yelling out, if the runner realized he did not tag up and while attempting to return to the 1st base bag he is called out because the ball beat him back the run still would not score... if the other runner did not pass the scoring line....correct? I guess what I'm asking is if no fielder yelled out the result would be the same so how is it considered an appeal play? Thx again
Oct. 28, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: STAFF question on scoring of runs

I was going over rule 5.7 SCORING OF RUNS....B No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of ...... 2.A runner being put out by a tag or live ball appeal play prior to the lead runner crossing the scoring line. My question is the 2nd part of the rule....No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of a live ball appeal play prior to the lead runner crossing the scoring line. Can you give me a scenario where this would come into effect. In every appeal I have ever had it has always been after the ball was in the infield and under control with no play being made on a runner. I have never allowed an appeal when a runner is still advancing to another base. Thx for your help.
Oct. 13, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: STAFF Question on the Tie Breaker Rule

Thx for the quick response and thorough explanation
Oct. 10, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: STAFF Question on the Tie Breaker Rule

Question....I know with the tie breaker rule the last batter takes 2nd base and cannot have a courtesy runner or a substitute until he reaches 3rd. What if when the home team takes the field they get 2 quick outs and now the manager wants to put in a defensive substitute for the 3rd out...The player he subs for was the last batter...after they get the 3rd out the substitute now becomes the runner at 2nd. Correct? Would this be a legal way of getting a faster runner at 2nd? Thx for your help
Sept. 7, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: scoring of runs with new COURTESY RUNNER RULE 8.5(5)

Taits....but the rule states illegal courtesy runner will be called out upon touching the bag...there would be no time for appeal? thats why I'd like to know for sure
Sept. 7, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: scoring of runs with new COURTESY RUNNER RULE 8.5(5)

SSUSA Staff thanx for the clarification and sorry for calling it a NEW rule. If you would please answer 1 more question. Shouldn't the umpire call an illegal courtesy runner out as soon as runner touches the base? Am I correct in saying that this does not have to be an appeal play? RULE 8.5(5) Thx in advance for answer
Sept. 6, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: scoring of runs with new COURTESY RUNNER RULE 8.5(5)

taits...yes there was a pitch made and in the past it would have nullified any appeal on the illegal courtesy runner and all runs would score, but now with the RULE CHANGE it states that an illegal runner CAN STILL BE CALLED OUT even after a pitch or any hit as long as he has not scored....in scenario 1 he was on 3rd. What i was asking in EACH SCENARIO do the runs score with the new re-written rule? In SSUSA Tournaments it is the umpires on the field's job to keep track of courtesy runners but not all do this. SO if it is not caught right away what happens to runners???
Sept. 6, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: scoring of runs with new COURTESY RUNNER RULE 8.5(5)

I have a question on scoring of runs with the new COURTESY RUNNER RULE 8.5(5) An illegal courtesy runner on base is committing a continuing violation and may be called out upon appeal at any time while on base or, if he scores, prior to the first pitch to the next batter.... SCENARIO...what happens if you have bases loaded with 2 outs and ILLEGAL COURTESY RUNNER enters game at first base the next batter hits a double and 2 runs score, now defense realizes runner on 3rd was the illegal courtesy runner and appeals it, and he is called out for the 3rd out do runs still score? PART 2 ILLEGAL RUNNER enters game at 2nd base and a bases clearing triple is hit and before next pitch the defense appeals that the runner at 2nd base was illegal does just 1 run score because runner on 3rd scored prior to illegal runner? I realize that normally all runs scored prior to an appeal (unless a force out) usually count, PART 3 of scenario what if after illegal runner reaches 3rd the field umpire realizes he was illegal and calls him out...do runs score...there was no official appeal.
Aug. 1, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: RULE 1.10 CATCH

thx for the SSUSA staff's answer on the question I posted on B/R IS OUT....and I have one more for you...Your definition of a CATCH which actually was changed in the 2011/12 rule book now says... RULE 1.10 CATCH....A catch is a legally caught ball that occurs when the fielder catches a batted or
thrown ball with his hand(s) or glove and the resulting release of the ball must be voluntary. NOTE: It is not a catch if a fielder, after he contacts the ball, collides with another player, umpire or a fence, or falls to the ground and loses possession of the ball as a result of the collision or falling to the ground. A ball that strikes anything other than a defensive player while it is in flight, is ruled the same as if it struck the ground. An ILLEGALLY CAUGHT ball occurs when a fielder catches a batted or thrown ball with anything other than his hand(s)or glove in the proper place. The old 2010 rule had an explanation on how to ESTABLISH a catch...say if a ball was cradled in the stomach area or if a thrown ball was was actually caught with an arm pit and then the fielder grasped the ball with his hand or glove this would then be considered a catch...the new rule (last sentence of catch rule)took all that out and made it cut and dry that a batted or thrown ball that is caught with ANYTHING other than the hand(s) or glove is now an ILLEGAL CATCH???? Why do you change a rule that is well written into one that allows for players and managers to now argue about.
July 31, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: BATTER RUNNER IS OUT

does the new rule change this year make sense to you? RULE 8.3H... B/R is out when he moves back toward ANY BASE to avoid or delay a tag by a fielder.
The ball is dead, the batter-runner is out and all runners return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. The old rule was when B/R moved back toward home plate. So now a scenario...bases loaded 2 outs B/R hits a ball into the gap and tries for a triple, as he is heading to 3rd he notices that 3rd baseman has the ball and that the runner headed home hadn't scored yet so he stops and backs up to avoid the tag and by this time runner crosses scoring plate and then B/R is tagged out. so my question is according to this new rule ALL runners must return to original base occupied at the time of the pitch and no runs scored. I'd hate to be the Umpire in that call.
July 13, 2013
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is this an appeal play?

deep fly ball to left field with runner on 1st, runner rounds 2nd and realizes ball was caught and in returning to 1st base he never re-touches 2nd base. Is this a straight out call by the umpire or an appeal play by the defense?
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