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Aug. 22, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You Make the Call

INF should be called at the peak of the hit, if the tour. was using SSUSA rules it could also be called after the play is complete if the umpires didn't call it but then deemed it neceaasry to protect the runners. The scenario you gave was that the ball landed 10 feet behind the 3rd baseman I would consider this umpire judgement in that it was not a routine catch and the fielder apparently was not camped out underneath the ball. I also think the umpires explanation of the 3rd baseman saying he lost the ball in the sun was a bail out.
Aug. 12, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

per the O/P by Garocket...below is a rules supplement from ASA...The last sentance explains that it doesnt matter when the infraction occured the out is when the appeal is made....so that makes it the 3rd out of the inning and per the rules no runs would score...ASA RULES SUPPLEMENT,1.Appeals.. J. Force Out. When an appeal is the third out and a force out, no runs shall score. The force is reinstated when a forced runner retreats toward the base first occupied and they may be put out if the defense tags the runner or the base to which they are forced. When the batter-runner is put out prior to reaching first base, all force outs are eliminated. On an appeal play, the force out is determined when the appeal is made, not when the infraction occurred
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

jrhunch you are correct on your first scenario with runner returning to 1st base runner from 3rd would score. I'm not sure what you mean by 2 runs should have counted in PaulP's scenario his runner scored from 3rd and runner on 1st ended up on 3rd.
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

Garocket...not all appeal plays are time plays. If a runner is FORCED to advance such as PaulP's scenario "runners on first and third, two outs". that runner missing 2nd base is still considered a form of a force out on appeal and runner scoring from 3rd would not count
Aug. 11, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

its a force out .....no runs scored.....again why dont UIC's answer the rules questions
July 20, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

baseballbill....i dont know if that is possible
July 19, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

the rule says a fair ball is one that TOUCHES first, second or third base it does not say that the ball has to pass by the bag to be fair
July 18, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

1st fair ball 2nd fair ball 3rd fair ball ......... 1.22 • FAIR BALL....A fair ball is a legally batted ball that: B. Bounds over or past first or third base, which is in fair territory, regardless of where the ball hits after going over the base.
D. Touches first, second or third base.
July 16, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

Garocket I agree RULE 1.22 D that the ball is fair once it hits the base .....but I have been told many times from UIC's in SSUSA when a specific rule cannot be found look at ASA because their rule book is more specific. That is why I posted this..... ASA Section 8.....RUNNER IS NOT OUT...8 E. When a runner is hit with a fair untouched batted ball over foul territory that,in the umpire’s judgment no fielder had an opportunity to make an out. we'll see what STAFF says
July 16, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

I stil believe this to be a fair ball once ball hits 3rd base even if balll does not pass it...ASA Section 8. RUNNER IS NOT OUT...8 E. When a runner is hit with a fair untouched batted ball over foul territory that,in the umpire’s judgment no fielder had an opportunity to make an out.
July 15, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

STAFF thx but I cannot take the credit for this it was Garockets scenario but no one answered it...so i reposted it....and the actual scenario had nothing to do with ball bouncing back toward home plate what was written was batted ball hits 3rd base runner on 3rd jumps into foul territory the ball bounces back and hits him....what is the call I posted fair ball and was not sure if runner would be called out. but if the ball had not passed a fielder i would think he would be called out.
July 15, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

RULE 1.22 D. Touches first, second or third base.....That is why I said I would call it a fair ball and then ball hitting the runner I just am not sure whether he is out for ball hitting him before it passes a fielder? or is it just a live ball?
July 14, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

Garocket threw in an interseting scenario!!!!
Runner on 3rd ...Batter hits a shot down third base line that hits the bag... meanwhile the runner has jumped into foul ground, the fair ball that hits the base bounces back and hits the runner. I would say that since the ball hit the bag it is definitely a fair ball, assuming that the 3rd baseman is playing back the ball bouncing into foul territory and hitting the runner I would just call it a live ball and let the play go on????? SSUSA STAFF is that correct???
July 3, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: over throw at first.

Tim, great info. Thx. in a previous post the awarding of bases was an issue...I was mistaken on answer saying runner only got 2nd....I know where it came from I used to ump USSSA several yrs ago. It would be nice for SSUSA to come out with a more thorough rule book with explanations on scenarios, much like ASA does
June 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rules

yes...• COMMITMENT LINE - The Commitment line was moved to 30' from home plate (formerly 20') to bring the commitment line back into play following the migration of the base distance over the years from 60' to 70' .
June 29, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rules

Webbie, thats why it is called a commitment line...once a runner has passed it there is no return...If a runner after passing it does return to 3rd to tag up on a caught fly ball he should be immediately called out
June 13, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

yes...i also found it in ASA rules supplement no. 38 OVERTHROWS
June 13, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

Garocket...not in this case...he would only get 2nd because having to go back to tag up is considered 1 base. if he made it back to 1st base before SS released his throw then he would get 3rd
June 12, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

he is out on appeal
June 9, 2014
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

Garocket....you are correct...that is why tournament directors need to stay as tournament directors...there should always be a UIC available for umpire questions
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