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Nancy Allen

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Indianapolis, IN

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Men's 55

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June 1, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

Thank you. Ray DeMarini always recommended warming up with a Wiffle Ball bat, and I still believe in him. I just wish he was here to play senior softball with us.

Someone also sent me some information on a dome in Pittsburgh, Island Sports Dome at Robert Morris University.

There used to be some indoor softball in southern Illinois and Missouri. Anyone know if they still exist?
May 30, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: who's going to louisville this weekend

Corky, it looks like more time in the penalty box for you. I know you; so it is OK if you want to call me out on here instead of dialing me, but please don't call Johnny out by name here. Your concerns may be valid and are voiced here, but she is running a tournament and is dealing with the coaches as she should.

There are not very many of us girls in men's senior softball; so we are a little protective of each other. I am hoping to come down Sunday, but I want to wish everyone good luck and more good weather this weekend. Corky, give Johnny a hug, and stay away from the river.

If you want LOTS of competition, let's talk about getting a Brickyard team to Rock 'n Reno next year. I will even help your coach out with it if you want to play in a world class tournament. Yes, I wish that I was there now.
May 28, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

Thanks again; it is the Superior Dome. KBL, for years I spent a lot of time in Chambersburg and Mechanicsburg and a couple of places in between for my job. I wish that I could have seen this one. A hangar would definitely have beat the armory, and of course there is the chocolate.
May 28, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

Joe, thanks for calling about the Super Dome in Marquette. It looks like it would definitely take some planning to get another softball tournament in there besides the one you mentioned, but the facility sure looks awesome.
May 28, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Congratulations Atlantic Coast Championships

Congratulations, Ohio Silverados, way to represent the Midwest far away from home. Also nice job to the team from Syracuse; the offer still stands if you are interested. Hopefully I will get to see you play this year.
May 28, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Just wondering about the merge

The last time that the World Championships were in Vegas, LVSSA was also having their tournament the week that we were there. As part of our bat habit, we went to watch part of it. They had over 100 teams, and we immediately ran into teams we knew from Michigan and Illinois. Maybe I will see you there.
May 28, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

Stick8, thanks. Someone called me and told me about a dome in Jackson, MI also. It would be nice to have at least a couple of winter tournaments in our home elements, maybe even an indoor world (always dreaming).

Steve, I need to remember to tell you the best line of the tournament which I believe will never be duplicated. The second best line of the tournament, "Act your age." This might be also applied in another thread as well.
May 25, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

Hey, Steve, my job is trying to kick my butt, and softball is about my only release right now. I thought for the most part the Brickyard went well. The weather was perfect, and there were 39 teams. This was the first year that there were 4 70 teams when there is usually only 1; so that was a good thing for their division. I hope all is well with you. Hopefully I will see you soon. Indiana is very lucky this year because Johnny's tournament is coming up soon, and the ISA Senior World will be in Columbus, Indiana.

I knew that you played inside up north, and I appreciate the details. We have had different variations of indoor facilities here inside of existing sports buildings. The seniors here that stay in the winter still like to hit indoors, but those floors make the ball a little scary to field; so there has really only ever been one senior league years ago that I remember (correct me if I am wrong, ISSO). It would be nice if there was a place fairly central that the seniors could have some indoor winter tournaments. I have heard of a place that tarps/domes over an existing diamond in Michigan, but I have never been there. Does anyone know about it? There used to be an old armory building in downtown St. Louis that we used to go to a lot, but it is closed now. The floor was the old basketball court, and the dimensions were a little odd. There was also arena softball here one winter, and that one is too hard to even describe; it is a whole different game with the same equipment.
May 23, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: For Those Who Play in the Winter States

If you stay in a cold climate all winter, who plays leagues/tournaments in a dome, indoor facility, etc? I have heard of places in Michigan, Minnesota, and Missouri but does anyone have details on these or any others?

For the rest of you, I am only jealous that you can play all year round.
May 23, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Best Method for Breaking in a new composite Senior Bat ??

ChiPrimeMarty, it sounds like you are trying to do it the right way. As to some of the other suggestions, I was at an umpire clinic a few months ago where we were told that breaking in a bat with anything other than softballs made it an altered bat. I did check their rulebook (this was NOT SSUSA), and there were no details like that on what was an altered bat. I try to follow the rulebooks whether I agree with a rule or not, but I guess that I just want to make sure that anyone who suggests a method other than the ones you are going to use may be subjected to an umpire deciding that they have an altered bat, right or wrong. I recently heard of a bat being taken as an altered bat because the umpire saw (actually heard first) a player beating their bat on a telephone pole. So just beware, guys.
May 17, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is this yelling out OK.

HJ, while most of my games have been NSA, I have also done many ASA and USSSA games. While I know that there are different perceptions of softball associations depending on where you live and play, from an ump that knows a lot about Indiana and surrounding states, I would not agree that Utrip is more about gamesmanship. It is more aggressive, and deception is part of game. It is very different than the way most people play softball. I could not play it, but I find it fascinating.

For your question, I would have to see/hear the situation for a real answer, but from your description, it sounds bush league. This is going to be based on ump judgment if the act made the fielders react based on the words that you stated. It does sound like a possible verbal interference, and this is not an appeal situation. I reserve my opinion because I was not there, but if I was, and I thought that he changed the fielders' play, I have an out. If I did not believe that it changed the play, I might pull the coaches out and have a discussion. If I believed that it was nothing but some moaning, I would do nothing.

Does your league always have as much controversy as you detail in your posts?
May 13, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How does your league handle this

HJ, Utrip is very different from other types of softball, and deception is definitely part of the game for them; so this is not unusual especially given the moves, motions, and tricks that the pitcher does. That being said even for non Utrip play, I see nothing unsportsmanlike about it. In the game you take every little advantage that you can. I am a chatterer when playing or scorekeeping. So I could be accused of verbal interference but have not had it called on me. I am no different than that first baseman, but he has a more subtle approach. As far as that quick pitch, just ask for time in the box. I try to stop that umping as much as possible except in Utrip where it is part of their game.
May 13, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Recommendations & Cures

I have talked with players who believe in tumeric or cider vinegar for arthritis and/or muscle pain. I also met a team from New Mexico that used bee pollen for muscle pain. I am more of the first cure CK suggested.

May 13, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: My conclusions from 2 prior discussions, what are yours?

1. The only place that I do not see these are in church leagues. I agree they are much safer. The only thing that I do not like is that every association has their own rules dealing with the double base. I like the live ball appeal on the runner hitting the white; it causes much less controversy. Seniors are more likely to use the bags correctly, but again runner and defense rules sometimes cause issues. Last weekend I had a dead ball out because the runner was completely on the edge of the orange bag when the ball was pitched (thanks, coach, for taking it out on the player instead of the ump).

2. We only have scoring lines here. I agree either with the force out is safer. The only problems that I have are for umpires. We are used to going where the runner is for home. I have seen a couple of clips or collisions with a ruuner and ump. Also umps that do not know the senior rules are an issue such as one that we had in a tournament that the throw was wide; the catcher tags runner; ump calls them out. When I tried to explain the rule to the ump; they insisted that the catcher ran back to the plate for the force still before the runner crossed the line. I explained that was still wrong, and even if it wasn't introduced obstruction. Those of you that were there know what happened next. This is a really good parking lot discussion.

3. I disagree especially for those who also play tournaments because we forget and would do it there too when it is an out. This is also too diificult to judge correctly as an ump.

4. I disagree; this is why we have obstruction rules and are taught to make sure the ump sees it. There are avoid contact rules, but these are for flagrant acts by a runner. Many players think runners have to slide to avoid a catcher (not seniors), but the runner is supposed to avoid contact. The runner always has the right to the base path unless the fielder has or is fielding the ball.

The one senior league rule that I am opposed to is not on your list, screens for the pitcher. While I appreciate the intent, they are not used correctly here. The pitcher does not stand behind them after pitching the ball; they may cause a false sense of security for those that also play tournaments; the ump can't always see second base; it gets in the way of throws home sometimes. They are now putting it halfway between the pitcher and home because of those issues. If you need a screen, use the kind they do at the baseball home run hitting contest. I think pitcher protection is the only way to go. I know SSUSA tried several things before this conclusion, and it was the least disruptive to the game. This way the pitcher can decide to wear it or waive it.
May 12, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How does your league handle this

HJ, I ump but without seeing it or being in the league with their rules I will not go there since in "regular" softball the runner sets the base path, and the 3 feet only applies if someone tries to make a play. You are welcome to call me if you want more discussion. This is a good parking lot discussion also.

You asked about odd league rules. I met a team last weekend that said their league makes them use 26" bats which really messes up their real swing. This is supposed to be for safety.
May 8, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Brickyard

Omar, thanks for the insight. Where do you play? I know a lot about Indy but not other places on their usual scheduled play. I am not sure on the math for a 2 day tournament. Midwest is the nicest overall park in the city here which is why they have more teams, and the diamonds are much better than many that I have been to elsewhere. That being said, they do not put as much money back into the diamonds as they used to before the township bought out half the land. All of the scoreboards work, and the lights are great as long as you do not look directly into them. League fees are not modest, $500 plus $50 for 2 forfeit fees which is not much more than the other private parks here. They do not allow food and drink into the park because of concessions. They did not change prices in the middle of the tournament, but they did not honor their own sign. That they should have bit the bullet on in my opinion only. In the good old days players used to help roll the tarp over the fields. The only real volunteer help that I haver seen here is when Avon went underwater after an extreme flood. The grounds crew at Midwest is the hardest working bunch of individuals that I have ever seen, and they play more games there than anywhere here.

It is the nicest park here, and I like being there, but it is not only ballpark that I hang at. The park makes lots of money, but it is all business. It is clean and has a lot more than softball there. Our personal is goal is to enjoy the game. Theirs is to maximize profit, and they do it very well.
May 8, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Brickyard

Gary H, I am definitely not going to defend the gate fees charged to 65+. After playing out there for over 20 years and umpiring there for more years than I want to think about, Tim is consistent. I understand what he does but often do not agree. It was bad form to not follow the posted rules at the gate. I will not even go into the angry mobs when fast pitch tournaments are there (let's just say the entry fees are higher). In Indy before the private parks, we played at city parks. We had to bring our own bases; unpires did not show up; there was no management on site; most parks had no lights or fences. After the private parks were open here (there were 4 with at least 4 diamonds), the issues above were taken care of, but the gate fees started. Two of those parks are gone, including the one you mentioned on the east side. Midwest is one of the best parks in the state, and it shows best when weather is bad which fortunately it was perfect this weekend. The grounds crew busts butt getting diamonds in playing shape when rain comes. Public parks often do not have grounds crews, let alone diamond dry. I am sure that others have had the experience of a sunny day but unplayable diamonds because no one is there to get them back in shape (St. Louis, Elgin, Pensacola, Columbus, etc). The other private park here charges gate fees also, but there are other issues there. I also like the South Bend and Champaign parks, but they also have issues. Some of the other parks that I like in Indiana are in Bloomington, Shelbyville, Columbus, and Michigan City. Grounds crews being available are also a problem at 3 of those. Every park has pluses and minuses, and I wish there was a perfect one because we would all be there. Who else has private vs. public parks in their city? I only know about about this area but would like to hear from others that have this situation.
May 7, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: ISA Senior World

It was great to see everyone at the Brickyard last weekend. The competition was first class; the weather was almost perfect; the conversations were great, and almost everyone seemed to have a good time (even before the Fishbowl started Margarita deliveries to the ladies Sunday). I want to thank everyone that helped make it happen, especially Tim Skinner, the groundskeeper, who ended up wearing almost every hat to keep things going and Dave Dowell for doing what he does to make everything happen and keep it going. Of course nothing would be possible without the players, the teams, the coaches, and those that put up with our softball habit.

Quite a few people said that they would be going to the ISA Senior World in Columbus. There is a strong senior softball history in this town, and all of the diamonds that we played on were excellent.


May 3, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Obstruction or OK

P.S.
Obstruction = runners
Interference = fielders
May 3, 2012
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Obstruction or OK

HJ, the first umpire needs a lesson in liability. If an umpire or an association were to tell a player that they had to slide, and then that player was injured due to sliding, they would be liable for that injury. Of course this is one of the biggest myths in softball. This is why "avoid contact" or some variation of that is the standard.
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