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June 14, 2008
Cimarron
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: NO PITCH OR ILLEGAL PITCH

Dear Softball Friends,

I need your help. In a local league that is governed by the SS-USA rules there was a play that, I believe was miss-called but I could not find anything that would specifically cover it in the rule book. So I am looking for your help to tell me what the rule is and where I might be able to find it in the rule book.

Here’s the situation. There was a runner on first and no outs and a one ball count on the batter.(but none of this is really important I just wanted to set up the situation as it actually occurred). The pitcher then prepared to make his next pitch. He went into his motion and as he took his step towards the plate and started his arm forward and the shortstop yelled to hold up. He yelled this because the third baseman was adjusting his belt and did not have his glove on his hand (but I guess the reason he yelled to “hold up” is not pertinent either).

The end result is that the pitcher did not release the ball. He just stopped. and started to reset for the next pitch. The important thing is that the ball never left his hand. Before starting to deliver the next pitch the umpire said that the last pitch (or no pitch) was illegal and he charged a ball to the count on the batter.

I called time and talk with the ump. I told him that I did not believe that a ball should have been charged because the pticher never released the ball. I told him that I thought it was a no pitch and not an illegal pitch. The ump disagreed and said that he thought it was an illegal pitch and not a no pitch. Needless to say the umps opinion carried the day.

We agreed to disagree and I asked the umpire to check the rule book when he got home and that I would do the same. However neither he nor I could come up with anything conclusive.

Can anyone out there help? I would appreciate it. The objective is to get it right. There are no egos involved.

Thanks, in advance.

Cimarron
Aug. 5, 2007
Cimarron
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: OUR TEAM BROKE UP!!!!!!

Hey Ron,

Diane and I hope that Danna is feeling well. We know, first hand, how difficult chemo treatments can be and yes, the heat really bothers you when going through a treatment series.

Good luck in getting hooked up with a team. Anyone would be lucky to get you as a player. This guy can flat out hit.

Be sure to let Danna know that we (Diane and I) are thinking of her. She is a special lady and for the life of me I don't know how the hell you got her to marry you:)

We look forward to seeing you guys in LV.

Diane & Alan
July 11, 2007
Cimarron
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Called out for carrying the bat

Dear Jetboy,

I don't have the latest copy of the SS-USA rule book but I can tell you what the rule is for the ASA.

It is covered under the "Umpire's Points of Emphasis" section under Number 52, which states:

52. Throwing or Carrying a Bat. If a player throws the bat intentionally in anger, the player should be ejected from the game. If the bat slips from the batter's hands, there is no penalty unless the discarded bat prevents the defense from making a play on the ball, and interference should be ruled. There is no penalty when a player carries a bat to first or any other base. Should the player use the bat to prevent a defensive player from making a play, then interference should be ruled.

That's the ASA rule and under it you should not have been called out. Maybe someone else will post the rule for SSUSA.

Hope that helps.

Cimarron
April 23, 2007
Cimarron
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Steve Imlay suspension

I have never totally understood the "Snowbird" rule. It may be a good rule or it may not be a good rule.

But what I do know is Steve Imlay. I played with Steve and managed him for a whole year. I got to know him and Carroll (his wife) on a deeper level. Steve's philosophy was always to find out what the rules are and to follow them to the letter. He never tried to beat or go around the rules. He always conducted himself with very high integrity and he demanded his teammates do the same.

It is is for these reasons that I believe that he was not treated fairly. I know that ignorance is not a defense but in this case I must believe that Steve was given mis-information and acted on it in good faith. It had to be a missunderstanding because Steve would never endorsed anything but following the rules.

I hope that SS-USA reviews this case and reconsiders what I believe to be an unjust penalty for a misunderstanding.

Senior Softball Player,

Alan Dial
Dec. 22, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Associations
Discussion: asa

I agree about avoiding any ASA tournaments. I base this, not only on the way the ASA is handling their bat policy but also on the way they treat seniors in general.

I have played all over the country (as I'm sure most of the people on this board have) and I find that seniors are really treated as second class citizens by the ASA.

I'm not blaming the ASA for focusing on where they make their most money but I don't want to support them either. I have found the SS-USA, LVSSA and the SPA to be much more sensitive to seniors and I therefore try to support these organizations.

That's my opinion.
Dec. 22, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Associations
Discussion: asa

I agree about avoiding any ASA tournaments. I base this, not only on the way the ASA is handling their bat policy but also on the way they treat seniors in general.

I have played all over the country (as I'm sure most of the people on this board have) and I find that seniors are really treated as second class citizens by the ASA.

I'm not blaming the ASA for focusing on where they make their most money but I don't want to support them either. I have found the SS-USA, LVSSA and the SPA to be much more sensitive to seniors and I therefore try to support these organizations.

That's my opinion.
Nov. 27, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Albuquerque Senior Softball

Froggy11 & Kandy,

I am now here in Albuquerque. I actually live in the Rio Rancho section.

I was wondering if they play any pick-up games or if they just take batting practice this time of year? If so where do they do this and is it okay to join in?

If they don't play any ball this time of year, do they play basketball or something else to stay in shape?

Do they have any batting cages in the area? If so where?

Let me know.

Thanks, I'm trying to get hooked up with the senior softball community and I just need some help getting started.

Thanks,

Cimarron
Oct. 31, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Albuquerque Senior Softball

Max & Scrappy6,

I can play most of the positions. If you asked people that I have played ball with, I think they would say I am a shortstop first.

I am willing to travel.

I have an issue that will keep me from traveling or playing until next spring so if that's a problem let me know.

As soon as I get to New Mexico I would like to contact you and set up a try out or whatever you want. If you would let me know your e-mail address I will do that. I cannot give you mine because it will change when I move in mid-November.

Thanks for the help,

Cimarron
Oct. 24, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Albuquerque Senior Softball

Thanks Boston, Hoppie and Froggy 11!

To answer some of your questions. I am 60 years old but I have been playing mostly in the 50 and 55 age bracket.

Froggy11, Yes I am interested. Do I need to attend the meeting that is in January? Let me know. I should be in Albuquerque by mid-November.

I also do a lot of umpiring. Do they need any umpires there in the Albuquerque Senion Leagues?

Thanks again,

Cimarron

Oct. 22, 2006
Cimarron
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Albuquerque Senior Softball

I will be moving to Albuquerque, New Mexico in a few weeks and I was hoping that there is someone on the board who could tell me if there are any senior teams in Albuquerque and where they play.

I\'m not familier with the area but I could use Mapquest if you can provide a address or name of a softball complex where seniors play.

Thanking you in advance,

Cimarron
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