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Nov. 3, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rules question. Happened at Huntsman

Vinny LV you are correct!! Let's take it even one step further. Suppose the runner at third also left early. After the defense appealed the runner at first leaving early for the 3rd out can they appeal the runner at third base leaving early?

Oct. 31, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rules question. Happened at Huntsman

Vinny LV unless the Huntsman Games has different rules, I would take issue with what the UIC ruled. Remember in the situation as described all base runners were not forced to move up. The fact that the runner on first didn't tag up is not a factor. The only way a run can score on this play is if a runner crosses the scoring line or touches the scoring plate before the out is recorded at first. Let's take this play a step further. Same situation--bases loaded, 1 out and a fly ball. Outfielder makes the catch--2 outs. Runner at third tags and scores. Runner at second tags and goes to third. The runner at first does the same thing as described above but keeps going to second. The umpire calls time. Next batter comes up, the pitcher appeals the runner on first left early. Umpire calls him out--3 outs. Does the run (who came in from third) count?
Oct. 29, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rules question. Happened at Huntsman

Vinny LV, it's good that you took it upon yourself to consult with the UIC to make sure you got it right.
I'm curious, did the UIC explain the reason why no runs were counted?
Oct. 25, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Good umpires / bad umpires

Thank you all for your responses!! Very informative. It seems as if umpires who display a pleasant, friendly and courteous attitude while umping is high on the list for being a good umpire--in addition to hustle and rule knowledge.
Does this indicate that old adage to be true that people are treated like they treat others?
Oct. 25, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Good umpires / bad umpires

Neck thanks for your response! As an ump I normally don't say anything like that to a player if they are contesting a call. There was one time I veered from that and what you elluded to reminds me of that story. About 3 years ago i was umping an end of the year loco-yoco mens tourney. In my last game of the day this team was getting beat rather soundly in a losers bracket game. The shortstop (whom I know pretty well and had asked me to play in this tourney) made about 4 errors, hit into 2 double plays and third strike foul-an absolutely brutal game. In the last inning I made a call he apparently didn't like and he lost it. He was cussing me out which naturally caused me to toss him--which he probably wanted. After the game was over I had just got my bag off the fence when he approached me and decided he was going to be "last word lucy". He really let me have it--amongst many other derogatory things he called me the worst umpire in the world. That's where I veered off--I got a bit confrontational and told him "I may be the worst ump in the world but I didn't hit into those double plays, third strike foul and I didn't make all those errors." His exact words to that were "well you not being very professional" To which I replied, "what did you expect? I'm the worst umpire in the world" Then I walked away.
Oct. 24, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Good umpires / bad umpires

As a branch off from the thread "Vegas Umpires" I believe it's safe to say we've all experienced bad umpires and good umpires at various times thru the years. It sounds as if posters on here regard Tommy (from Northern California?) as a model umpire. Here in Michigan we have an umpire who is generally regarded in a similar vein as Tommy and it's definitely not me--lol. I'm sure this is true most everywhere. Players always like to say 'he's terrible" or "we got him??" Or "we got a good ump today"
Anyone remember the show from the 1970's "The Match Game"? When the contestant had to match the last answer from a panel member (to win the $$$)it seems as if the contestants always chose Richard Dawson to match. Why him? Contestants seemed to trust Mr Dawson would likely match their answer. I sense this same feeling with Tommy--players seem to have trust in him to do a good job umpiring their game. (if the show I referenced wasn't the match game, feel free to correct me)
In spite of the fact that umpires do miss calls what are some of the characteristics that, in your estimation, would lead you to believe someone to be a good umpire and someone to be a bad umpire?
Please share your thoughts.

Oct. 21, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas Umpires

Absolutely! At least I hope that's why they ump
Oct. 21, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas Umpires

Over the 20+ years I've umpired, officiated basketball I wager I've made thousands of bad calls. I'm 100% certain players & coaches would concur!! lol
There is an old saying:
"umpires aren't always right but their never wrong"
Oct. 17, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rules question. Happened at Huntsman

mad dog, Texas Transplant, paul0784 and Wayne 37 are correct!! As Wayne 37 correctly stated, Michigan Vets scenario is a timing play.
Here's another one, a bit tougher. (this didn't occur in a game I umped but I was asked about this) Bases loaded, no outs. Fly ball to right field. Rightfielder catches it. Runner at third tags and scores. Runner at second (an extremely fast runner) tries to do a double tag. The right-fielder makes a strong throw to home and the throw is up the line and inadvertantly hits the on-deck batter. Is it still a live ball? Is it a dead ball interference?
You make the call!!
If i posted this before I apologize in advance
Oct. 16, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Sad state of affirs at Huntsman.

HJ, as a USSSA umpire I have had plenty of experience in dealing with shaved or doctored bats. What Big Mike elludes to above is generally true but those are instances that one would SUSPECT a bat has been shaved. That being said the only true way that one can tell if a bat has been shaved or doctored is to cut the bat open and look in the inside.
Oct. 16, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rules question. Happened at Huntsman

Michigan Vet, like we talked yesterday, not tagging up on a caught fly ball does not constitute a force play. In that situation the runner on first is not forced or required to go to second. The way you describe the play the run(s)count if the runner on third and/or second touch the scoring plate (or cross the scoring line) before the first baseman touched first. I could see the runner on third doing that but not the runner on second--unless that runner was Usain Bolt.
Here's one that happened to me umpiring the E worlds: bases loaded, two outs. Grounder to third. Ball takes a bad hop hitting the thirdbaseman in the shoulder. Alertly, the shortstop runs over picks the ball up, looks home but has no play. He then moves to tag the runner going from second to third (who was as slow as our friend Les!!) for the third out but the tag was applied after the runner at third crossed the plate. Does the run count?
Oct. 9, 2013
stick8
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: sick players at Sunset Park

We (OKI) had 3 players that played in the 55's on the first weekend. I'm not certain if they played their 55's at Sunset but we played 50 major plus at Sunset. The three each came down with food poisoning during the week between 55's and 50's. They think they got it from eating salad that wasn't rinsed off at a restaurant in Boulder Station. If that turns out to be the case that does not bode well for the host hotel!! They all had diareeah like they've never experienced. They really didn't eat for most of the week, lost weight, lost strength and lost stamina. One guy was so bad he went to the hospital and was in icu for a couple days. One guy played but only at about 60%. He ran to the port-a-pottie a few times. Looking at him it was obvious he was weak and getting weaker but he gave what he had. One guy tried but he wasn't himself and the other just couldn't go.. Today being wednesday October 9 I understand they still have it in their system. Food poisoning is no joke!!
Although it's a nice gesture by the tournament to provide water I NEVER drink that water. I always buy my own bottled water and drink that.
Oct. 8, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50,s M+ & M

I was told Nazzareno won 50 major plus. Congrats to my man Bully!!
Oct. 8, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Las Vegas Fields and Umpires

FOFO, as an umpire myself I echo your sentiments. Playing in 50 major plus last weekend (OKI Softball) most of the umps we had were decent but there were some that were not up to par. I was watching a game between MTC and Kevitt where the field ump was standing by first base when runners were on first & first and second. How was he going to call a bang- bang force at second? And then when the bases were empty he was standing in the middle of the diamond. This tells me this particular ump was not a trained umpire. If I'm umping with this guy I would have told him after the first half inning where he needs to stand. I did overhear other teams mention similar things about other umpires.
This being said it may not be all on SSUSA. An tournament of this size demands a lot of umpires and perhaps during this particular time frame the better umps weren't available.
Sept. 29, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: World Masters Updates

Just got word Motown Stars won the 55 major. Congrats to Crump and the fellas!!
Sept. 19, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Sliding on Turf - Big League Dreams Fields

We (OKI Players) played at field of dreams last year and if you wear sliding pads sliding was relatively safe. Sometimes on field turf you actually slide past the bag. Be careful on that and good luck!!
Sept. 19, 2013
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Flip Flop Rule

Duke is correct. Teams do not flip flop back if the score becomes tied.
Sept. 19, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hr or out

Webbie for now I'll award you the 500 pts!! I'll let SSUSA be the final call on this but I believe your correct.
Omar it is the third out at home. I think your right on about an angry home run hitter & coach. I wouldn't want to face either of them if I was the one who touched the wrong plate!! Adding insult to injury the home run counts toward the total allowed.
Vinny in this scenario I'd walk the line up third base to get the best angle to make sure all runners touch a base. Like Omar elluded to and you touched on some umps will simply sense runners touched the one base they are required to without actually seeing it.
You all make valid points and clearly make a strong case that all home runs should be hit and sit. As a USSSA umpire our rule is all hr's are hit and sit--even on a ball that is tipped over the fence by an outfielder--a 4 base error.
Sept. 19, 2013
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hr or out

Omar and Bruce are correct in their ruling of the play as described by hitman.
For 500 pts and a chance for a bonus question what would be the ruling if say, the bases were loaded, 2 outs, batter hits an over the fence hr, but the runner at third touched the wrong home plate?
Sept. 18, 2013
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Flip Flop Rule

Titanhd that's true on paper. I could be mistaken here but the way I interpret SSUSA on the flip-flop rule is that it can only occur in the open inning. If the home team is trailing by 10 or more runs in the top of the open inning during a play-in/seeding game the flip flop is voluntary--meaning both teams must agree to flip flop. Should they agree the home team (team behind by 10 or more runs) bats first--in essence becomes the visiting team. Should they not score enough runs to tie or go ahead the game is over. Should they tie or go ahead then the visiting team in essence becomes the home team and has the chance to win the game. In bracket play the flip flop rule is the same but it's not voluntary, it's mandatory.
In USSSA tournament play the flip flop rule is mandatory and is put in when the home team is trailing by 25 after 3, 20 after 4 or 15 after 5.
The flip flop rule is an old class A rule developed many years ago and the intent was to give a team that's getting clobbered a chance to get back in the game.
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