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Nov. 28, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Webbie I don't think anyone could have stated it any better than you did. Especially about the long hours of training & practice players put in year in and year out. Congrats on Phoenix!!
Nov. 28, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Tate22 I absolutely agree 100% with you, especially when you ellude to succeeding thru competition and performance, not legislation. But due to my honest nature (to a fault sometimes--lol) I cannot take credit for the sentiment of "bring 'em on, we'll give it our best shot...." That was Malo37 who originally expressed that sentiment on this thread.
Nov. 27, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Our attitude has alwaus been that we play whoever is put in front of us. If we win great. If we lose, we lose. No crying about that they're a plus team or that it's not fair. We're all over 50 and we all still love competing or we wouldn't be doing this anymore. Line up all the teams that are over 50, get some fields, and let's play. May the best team that weekend win Very well said Malo37!!
Nov. 27, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Tim, 1) only ly six Plus Champions being legally allowed on a Plus team until they reach next age group.......OR.... If a team that wins 50 major plus is only allowed to keep 6 guys from that roster the next year then 7 or 8 other guys may find it difficult to get on a team the next year. It's not like there's a herd of 50 major plus or 50 major teams to choose from plus you have to deal with the bordering states rules. In young mans ball your idea would work because there are more teams to choose from. 2) the Plus Champions could keep more then six on their roster but they will be required to MOVE UP and play the Plus level one age group below them. How would that work with the 50+ division? They would have to play the 40's?
Nov. 26, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Tim my suggestion would be to combine major and major plus. You can split the difference in the home run rule and play straight up ball. No extra fielder, no extra runs spotted. May the best team win. DC13 put it very aptly when he stated he doesn't worry who he plays against and plays one way. That seemed to be the prevailing sentiment of all the major teams that we played against in Phoenix. Call it a hunch but I suspect the vast majority of 50 major teams would feel the same way. Sure you'll get some teams that won't be on board and complain. But odds are those teams complain about most everything. No one will be completely satisfied. Meanwhile the rest of us hit, run and play defense.
Nov. 26, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! DC13 the 9 runs per inning with 7 hr's would work also. Yes I play infield--normally middle in the 5 man but before the game our outfielders all indicated they were gassed and wanted to go 4 man so I went to 3rd base. I believe you hit a vicious line drive right at me which I somehow caught that really stung my hand. It still stings! Your right, definitely no day in the park playing in the dirt. Except for games looking directly into the sun I don't think anyone could have asked for better weather.
Nov. 26, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! I would echo DC13's comments. They did beat us (OKI) by 4 runs in the championship game without batting in the bottom of the 7th--open inning. We were actually down 10 or 12 at one point. They were hitting it pretty well and as the game went on we had a couple dry innings combined with playing since 8am that morning got us a bit on the mentally fatigued side. We rallied a bit in the open inning but it wasn't enough. The 5 run spot we had to give up certainly didn't do us any favors either!! But that's the rule and we knew it going in. The way Arizona Elite was hitting the holes and gaps I'm not certain the 5 run spot would have mattered irregardless. Good team, good bunch of guys that deserved to win and was the better team that day. Some of the major teams we played indicated to us they were befuddled why they were allowed to add 5 runs to their score. They didn't agree with the rule and would have preferred to play straight up. Personally I couldn't agree more. I'd like to see if a major plus team plays a major team they can play by major rules--7 hr's w/ 1 up and a walk after. No spotting runs or an 11th fielder. All the 50 major teams I saw in Phoenix could fare very well against 50 major plus teams. jmho
Nov. 23, 2012 stick8	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention 17black as a USSSA umpire I have a way that I've worked on for years to determine where 3 ft from the pitchers release point is. Most pitchers release the ball from their knee or just below or above their knee. Using the length of a bat as a guide (34") the bat from the knee up goes to about my pectoral muscle in my chest. Add 2 inches and your right at the neck line. Watching carefully the release point of the pitcher if it goes to my neck level or above with a perceptable arc then the pitcher has his three ft from release. Again keep in mind watching where the pitchers release point is the key plus a perceptable arc or in ballplayers terms a "hump". What's just as tough is determining where 10 ft from the ground is.
Nov. 23, 2012 stick8	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention Jeff I share your concern with a pitching screen. Some pitchers do get drilled but IMO unless their is an unusually widespread occurrence of that happeening there is no reason to consider a screen. Even at that pitchers can always opt to buy equipment to protect themselves. Three years ago SSUSA adopted a middle hitting rule--any ball hit thru the middle at or below the pitchers head was a dead ball out. That rule didn't last very long. This and other things gary19 points out (who I agree with btw) isn't the way the game was intended to be played. Before we know it senior softball will be a complete gimmick-type game.
Nov. 22, 2012 stick8	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention Update for rules as of today (Thanksgiving): --pitching screen? Yes --mandatory pitcvhing masks? No More to come...
Nov. 22, 2012 stick8	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention Jimmy, as I understand it the new bat standard will be enforced in all USSSA NIT and qualifying tournaments. Local leagues it will not be enforced. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!!
Nov. 22, 2012 stick8	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention Jeff to answer your questions: ==Insurance reasons are why USSSA didn't allow senior bats in their tournaments. They felt that due to the age of players and the hotter bats there was a larger risk of players sustaining injuries thus the higher amount of insurance costs. --Not being able to use senior bats appears to be the main reason why participation was low in USSSA Senior tournaments but there are others. I'm not certain if ISSA, SPA or SSUSA events fall on the same weekend as the USSSA event. This years USSSA Senior worlds was in October in Glen Burnie, Maryland was cancelled due to lack of entries. Last year in Maumee there were 13 teams total for all divisions---it was nothing more than a local event. --I do beleive once broken in USSSA bats are reasonably close in performance to senior bats. That being said many senior players still prefer their senior bats and that's ok as long as everything is equal. Liberty Park would be a great place to host a senior tournament--it's something myself and our UIC are looking to do. It's a matter of picking out the right weekend. --Like your team, our team would likely play in a USSSA senior event with USSSA bats at Liberty park. Our team played the USSSA Senior Worlds in Maumee in 2009, 2010 and 2011 with USSSA bats only for two reasons 1)geographically it was close 2)it was a world tournament. For our team our sponsors weren't willing to spend the money to fly & play a USSSA event with no senior bats. --To your last question you'd probably get only local or just driving distance teams to play. The thinking at the convention was senior bats would attract more teams. Time will tell I suppose
Nov. 20, 2012 stick8	Topic: Bats Discussion: Phoenix Malo, it was the same for both teams no question. Texas Players had several lefites on their team and if you were looking at the mound the sun was on the left side of it. A righty could see it just fine.
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Webbie I watched some of that game. You had some strong hitters Congrats to you guys. Who was your lead off guy? He looked like he had leg warmers or something similar on both his legs. Pretty quick runner!! We finished 2nd--ran out of gas at the end. Playing against good teams and battling with the sun was tough enough but giving up 5 runs each game to these teams was a real challenge. They were all solid teams
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: Bats Discussion: Phoenix Lefty9 I played middle for OKI and I feel your pain. We experienced the same thing on dia #2 friday night. It was brutal!! Not much the batter can do when he can't see the ball. It's unfortunate because all your leftys are strong hitters. Hopefully we'll match up again down the road.
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: Bats Discussion: Phoenix 1-1 in the prelims beat Fangrabbers, lost to Worth 50's 4-2 in the tourney--beat Texas Players, lost to Worth 50's, beat Texas Players, beat Rated Athletics, beat Worth 50's and lost to Arizona Elite
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: Bats Discussion: Phoenix Not sure how the Barons did in the prelims but I believe they lost out in the bracket saturday night.
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! Webbie we were at Desert West and was that sun brutal or what!! We played our 2nd prelim game friday looking into that sun and lost 10-3! Myself and a few other of our guys struck out swinging because we couldn't see the ball. Our scorekeeper threw out the page for that game--lol. If I would have known you were there I would have looked for you and introduced myself. One of these times we'll meet up. How'd you guys finish?
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting! "When major and major plus teams play give the major team the 5 runs but play with the major plus home run limits and runs per inning" This is a good way to do it if major teams get the 5 extra runs. How about when a major plus team plays a major team just play straight up (no giving runs or extra fielder) using the major home run rule?
Nov. 19, 2012 stick8	Topic: Bats Discussion: Phoenix Cal50, we ended up 2nd. Did you play?

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