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Jan. 26, 2009
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Homerun Rule

Oops, meant to say DesMoines......get those big cities in Iowa that start with D mixed up.
Cliff
Jan. 26, 2009
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Homerun Rule

Einstein:

In regard to your first thread on this post. I'm wondering if your "sadness" is not the result of a long overdue realization that maybe your crusade about "hitting the ball long & far" being all-important and maintaining bat/ball combinations doesn't reprsent the opinions of as many senior softball players as you believed. There are in fact many players, even major-plus players such as myself, that read but rarely post on this board.

I have played some form of ball all my life and have always been a defensively oriented base-hitter. Yet I agree with you that it is unfortunate that rules such as home-run limits, not to mention subsequent outs be even considered. Is there any part of ball that captures the essence more than the home-run. But how can you in good conscience refer to "fixing problems that don't exist"? You speak of your love for senior softball..... would you put your unquenchable thirst for hitting the ball long & far above the very REAL problems that exist in senior softball? Problems such as attending five tounaments last season with not a single 55 major-plus team to play. Or not a single 50 or 55 major plus team attending the TOC.

No one can argue that technology (bats) is responsible for this dilema of what to do. Hell even I hit a few out now with my Machenko and THAT shouldn't be. Maybe if fences could be moved back at all the complexes across the country every time a new hotter bat came out.... not going to happen.

Look Joe I'm a couple years younger than you and when I was new to senior ball watched you play at Dubuque with Kelly's and thought you to be the most "complete" player I had seen. I also admired as you took a called third strike one time against us, an arguably illegal pitch yet you bit your tongue about it. You and your passion for ball are what senior softball is all about. Please join the real majority, the majority that would put the welfare of senior softball above all else, even if it means considering home runs out, or a different ball, or whatever. For our game.

Sincerely,
Cliff Noble
Oct. 27, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 or 55 major plus

My congrats also to MTC , a great team and nice bunch of guys. Though participation was as low as ever this year at the major+ level, our team had the fortune to play two great teams pretty extensively in our last two tournaments,the other being Turn Two at the ASA'S. You can't become the best without playing the best.
Cliff Noble
ss, Travelodge
Oct. 27, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 or 55 major plus

Hey Bob, great tournament you had in St. George. Perhaps next year we have a beer?
Cliff
July 18, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Run thru rule for over 70s

I am disappointed that anyone let alone major-plus players who push for "pure softball" would take away from the game such a basic fundamental like sliding. Unbelievable.
Jan. 31, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: Associations
Discussion: 2008 National Senior Softball Summit

Audieh:
With all due respect the cheapest hit in softball is a mishit 310 foot HR/single/should-be fly-out that is hit with a composite bat (possibly even shaved or painted-over) and propelled artificially 50 to 70 feet by "trampoline effect" up and over the fence where last time I checked outfielders still can't stand.
On the other hand, if you have a guy who all he does is collect "cheap" hits up the middle time after time there are defensive options such as playing five-man against that guy and squeezing him with your outfielders.
Jan. 28, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: senior softball lab

DC Pete;
Amen brother, concerning going to the 1&1 count. There was a lot of support for the idea expressed in this forum prior to the summit, only to be ignored again.
And forget the extra foul - a hitter who can't keep a slow pitched ball between the lines with two strikes deserves to "grab some pine".
Jan. 7, 2008
Cliff 21
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What would you change in Senior Softball?

The 1 & 1 count is the single biggest change that HAS to be made in our game. 3 to 4 inning games being ended by the time limit is absurd. My team (Travelodge)) played a total of 20 innings in the 5 games at Phoenix. The 1 & 1 is needed not just in pool play, but ESPECIALLY in elimination games.
Given the overwhelming advantage to the batter in senior SLOW pitch softball (can you say ULTRA's COMBATS, etc)
the 1 & 1 count would not only get more innings in, it would give the pitcher's chances a needed boost. Then instead of the frequent 6 or 7 pitch at-bat, a batter, after automatically "taking" a 1st strike like the majority of hitters do, might have to show some hitting ability & fight off a tough 2-strike pitcher's pitch just to get on base. The 1 & 1 could also result in team defense becoming a bit more of a factor as theoretically a few more balls stay in the park.
So there are several good reasons for going to the 1 & 1 but none more important than simply getting in full 7-inning games....not having to experience the rotten feeling that comes with losing a 3-or 4 inning game in which you know your team has the ability to come back & possibly win.Or for that matter the unrewarding feeling that might come after winning such a game.
We can't have unlimited runs per inning with a time limit, or even going to the 1 & 1 will not acheive 7-inning games.
We need to go to the 1 & 1, Mike, or guys (teams) will question whether 20 innings is worth it. ($$.)


Cliff Noble
(a non-pitcher)
Dec. 19, 2007
Cliff 21
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 55 Major Plus teams going to TOC

We know Travelodge and Hollis are going, can someone from Ruth Realty and MTC please state whether they are going?
Thanks
Cliff
Nov. 27, 2007
Cliff 21
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 55 major + at TOC?

Travelodge 55 Major-plus will be there.
June 13, 2007
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Speeding up the game

Am in total agreement that going to 1 & 1 count is the most logical way to speed up a game in an effort to get in seven--time limits were not meant to be.
As far as hustling in & out, most teams do that albeit with occasional prodding from umpires. Infield balls between innings we do not do after the first inning.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this discussion is the frequent delays caused by home run/foul balls not being retreived. With the escalating tourney fees & all,perhaps tournament officials should provide more game balls or provide people to retreive them at least.
Yeah, I know, so run with the 1 & 1.
Cliff Noble
April 28, 2007
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Steve Imlay suspension

Amen, Einstein
What could this guy possibly know about integrity & character?

Cliff Noble
April 24, 2007
Cliff 21
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Steve Imlay suspension

As a close friend of Steve Imlay, I have played with him and against him on the diamond. Anyone who knows him
will attest to how much senior softball means to him. In fact if there's anyone who loves softball more than me it would be Steve.
What I will add to that is that Steve is also a man of honesty, integrity, and character. The last thing he wanted,
epecially in this time of increased scrutiny of snowbirds, was to put Travelodge at risk for using an ineligible player.
For tha reason he contacted tournament oficials well before the tournament, exlained his situation in an upfront manner and was cleared to play.
I agree that snowbird rules are both confusing and sometimes downright unrealistic, as in the word "consecutive" regarding the 90-day rule. But as one myself, I blieve the concept is a good one.
Regardless, this is not an open and shut case where someone openly flaunted the rules. Steve still has a house in Indiana , his family all live there and some of his boyhood pals play on Travelodge. It is not a case where a snowbird used a halfway house or YMCA or vacant lot address, and he shouldn't be punished as such. And exactly how does one satisfy 2007 snowbird requirements when the year had yet to take place?
At any rate, I can attest to the fact that the last two months have been a nightmare for both he and his wife Carol, who is totally involved with his softball and has taken this as hard as Steve.
Ruth Realty stated that they did not wish to pursue the championship we won at the TOC. And it is acknowledged that Steve Imlay cannot play for Travelodge in 2007, that is not the motivation here. The purpose of this letter is to state my support as well as that of my teammates for Steve Imlay and to ask that SSUSA do the right thing and remove his suspension.

Cliff Noble
Travelodge
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