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| Jan. 10, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: I was killed last night. ##7: Many of us do not always agree with Joe. Ralph Nader, was also, not well received, either. But, if, one is able to see into Joe's, heart, Joe, just wants to play softball. Over the past sevearl years, SS-USA, NSA, SPA, etc, have tried to "better the game"; solve some questionable problems, etc. I may be wrong, but, many players do not want to see Home Runs, become outs; or the Pitcher Rule. This Pitcher Rule, has reard its ugly head, last year. (Check out, some of last years, earlier post.) Much has been said about the Major Plus & Major teams, causing much unwanted problems. I chanallage many of the AA & AAA teams to move up, if, only for one or two tournaments. I am sure that SS-USA, would aloud AA & AAA, teams to play up in qualifiers; Round Robbin Play, only. If, we Seniors do not believe that there is a problem: 1) ask around about 2004, 2005, 2006, & maybe 2007, some of the problems that SPA, was having. Pour balls & no Senior Bats. Ask the boys, on the East Coast, RB, a very nice man, who runs ISSA. Pour balls (socks) & the Bats were ASA, I believe. Joe, I hear ones pain. But, your concerns Joe, will not happen, as long as there is feed back. RIGHT or WRONG, united we stand, divided we fall. Don't break that 78. THi-J |
| Jan. 9, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: I was killed last night. EINSTEIN: Joe, give it a break. The ball that SS-USA, has a contract with is Trump / Anaconda Sports. This is also, the same ball, that is used in many NSA, leagues, across the States. The cor & cover, I believe is also, the same that Dudly, uses. (44 cor / 375 comp balls) As far as bats, I have never heard, seen, or received any e-mail, stating that the 1.20 BPS, was not going to be used in SS-USA. There is the possiblity, that the ASTM F 1890 bat standard may get revised. (I beleive, this has already been done.) Joe, SS-USA, is no dumbie. SS-USA, SENIOR ball is doing better than most Senior Associations. WHY? SS-USA, tries to use the better ball with the Senior Bats. There may be two side to this issue. 1) those that want to hit the ball hard. 2) those that do not care about hitting the ball hard. 3) those that care / do not care about hitting Home Runs. 4) Last, those that have all the answers / those that do not have all the answers / those that think they have all the answers. Smile, be happy Joe. Why, worry about, what if? Joe, you do have NorCal, to play in. THi-J |
| Jan. 9, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: I was killed last night. #6: Two years ago, I saw a pitcher get down on one knees & the short stop, throw the ball home. This pitcher was about 15 feet in front of that short stop. The SS, turned & fired a rocket to home. Only problem, that SS, hit the pitcher in the back / top of his own pitchers head. What a sound ! That ball hit that pitcher so hard; that ball flow over the first base dugout. The pitcher, was out for about 10 minutes. This pitcher, was sent to the hospital. Two hours later, that pitcher came back to the fields, but, did not play ball for several weeks. The other teams pitcher, wore a Field Hockey, helmet / mask. ============================================== In the 70's & 80's, I saw & spoke to over a hand full of pitchers that lost teeth; got hit in the mouth with line drives. Several had over half of their teeth knocked out. Most players do not go after pitchers. But, hit my pitcher & I am sure that their will alway be more than just one player on one of my teams, that will go after the other teams pitcher.I also, have seen many team go after another pitcher, once that teams pitcher got hit the second time or buzzed, too close. Too much ID & EGO. Nice respond # 6. THi-J |
| Jan. 8, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Balls HIT IT: The last few years, SS-USA, has been using one ball & not many balls. Since 2004 or so, SS-USA, has been buying SS-USA'S, softball from ANACONDA SPORTS. In the past, when SS-USA, had an event, the town or local tournament balls were used. This caused a great deal of destress. Some balls used were ok & other softballs were socks. In the last few years the ball used, has been a 44 cor ball with a 375 comp. The comp was plus or minus 5%. Anaconda Sports, offered SS-USA, a ball that was better in hot climate. That ball was still a 44 cor ball with a 375 comp. This present ball that SS-USA, is using. has a MCT. MCT= Micro Cell Technology. The Trump, 44 cor ball with a 375 comp ball, has an impact or over 1900 PSI. An impact of over 1200 to 1400 PSI, caused massive injuries / death. In 2003 / 2004, the softball world went stupid. That is when the use of the 40 & 44 cor balls , started. ASA'S, present softball in used has an impact of around 2900 PSI. The ball that Anaconda Sports, has been designing, was never ment or designed for Senior Ball. This 52 cor ball with a 275 comp, has an impact of 400-500 PSI. This ball travels 10 % slower thru the infield. 40 & 44 cor balls are not safe. These are very hard balls. Test & Data, proves that the 40 & 44 cor balls, "drives" in a bat. Which causes the bat to flex. When a ball "drives" into a bat, the ball stays on the bats' barrel longer. This causes a GREAT TRAMPOLINE; i.e.- a higher B.B.S. Per SS-USA'S own web site, inwhich many ball makers; including Trump / Anaconda Sport, were against the 40 & 44 cor balls. A higher B.B.S., causes a ball to travel farther & faster thru the infield. 40 cor balls, travel 3.57 MPH, faster thru the infield than a 47 cor ball. LESS REACTION TIME, for infielders & pitchers. The 47, 50, & 52 cor balls have some elastic / rebound characteristic. What does this mean? When a ball has some "rebound", that ball does not "drive' or stay on a bats' barrel as long. This means that the ball does not TRAMPOLINE, as much. In other words, the B.B.S. & speed of a ball, OFF a bat is less. MORE TIME TO REACT, once a ball has been hit. 1) 52 cor balls are the safest balls. (Compaired to a 40 or 44 cor ball.) 2) Impact by a 52 cor ball, will cause "much" less damage to the human body. ( Compaired to the 40 or 44 cor balls.) 3) 52 cor balls, traveler slower thru the infield; hopefully, less injuries; more defense; more double plays; etc. 4) As far as Home Runs- i) less mishit home runs over the fense. ii) there will be no need for over the limit H.R. for outs. iii) with the 5 runs per inning, many Major teams will be able to play against the Major Plus teams & compete? One hopes so! The questions not, but, ones that should have been asked? If, the 52 dor ball is used ............ 1) which age groups? 2) which divisions? All? (Major & Major Plus, only.) 3) what about womens? 65 & older ? One can believe this or not...... SS-USA, is listening to their members / players. THiJ |
| Jan. 3, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: Why are you Dirty, trying to arguring again? Most post on this SS-USA Message Board, are by tournament players. Players that have questions; ones that in most cases post, are sent in a manner, that SS-USA, consider to be positive; post that are helpful; post that are not meant to be rude or insulting, etc. Gary, that last post, was a question; that post was not belittering, rude, mean, insulting, snide, scornful, or derogative. In other words, NOT disparaging. Happy New Year THi-J |
| Jan. 3, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: If, you Dirty, do not play Senior Ball, why, would you Dirty, care what happens to Seniors Ball? Also, Dirty, why should anyone answer one of Dirty's, questions, when you Dirty, will not & have not answered questions, directed to Dirty? Comprehension- the ability to grasp - remember material that a person has just read or heard. Another trait, that Gary, is lacking in. DOCUMENTED FACTS: ( Material from bat & bat testing labs; Data, that has been posted by SS-USA.) 1) 40 cor balls travel 3.57 MPH faster thru the infield & travel 11 to 12 feet farther than a 47 cor ball. 2) Balls that have been used in testing bats, were found to be out of spec. These "hotter"balls, did cause bats that were rated at 1.10 BPF, to exceed the allowable 1.20 BBF. 3) Until this past year, the safest balls were the 50 & 47 cor balls. The 40 & 44 cor balls are hard balls & it is almost impossible to produce a six sided 40 or 44 cor ball that is 40 or 44 cor, on all six sides. Gary, the bats are made & many Seniors have several bats. Changing the ball would be cheaper. In 3-5 years, once most bats broke, ....... This line of thinking is a waste of time. THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: My respond to you, Dirty. If, one reads my past post, a person, that has the ability to comprehend, reason, remember, etc; & Dirty, you appears not able to comprehend, the following: 1) Light bats, caused BBS to increase 8 percent. Players never allow the bat companies, to stop making the 24, 25, 26, 27, 27, 28, or 29 oz bats. Why? Seniors want to see more runs, higher B.A., & hit Home Runs. 2) Todays SS-USA'S, ball is not safe. The present ball has an impact of over 1800 PSI. Will SS-USA, ever spend the money, or try to find a safe ball that if impact happens, will be below 800 to 1000 PSI? This ball, must still be hitable & not a sock. 3) Impacts over 1200 -1400 PSI, will caused massive damage to humans, & or death. 4) SS-USA, why or when, will SS-USA, make Bat companies, install a chip or other anti-tampering devise? This will stop the Rolling, Shaving, & Vising of bats. 5) Will SS-USA, ever rid Seniors of Bats that, when Bats do break in, do not exceed the 1.20 BPF? No, players want to hit bombs. 6) Can SS-USA, allow players to use the present day bats & balls & still give players safety? Answer........ No. THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Why the constant changes? DIRTY: Not many, that read this Message Board likes you, Dirty.. "He," represent more than you, Dirty, ever will. After all "he" plays & you, stinky, do not play in Seniors. Why? not enough players will play on the same team that you, Dirty, play on. Are you in denial? Can't play & no one enjoys or wants to play or be you, Dirty's. Little person, who are you, Dirty, to ask anyone a question? The following statement Dirty: "results of the survey you took that allows to you to make that comment?" O.K., Dirty, first, show or prove to the many Seniors, that Gary S, has helpful or thoughtful ideas of any importants . What possible information Gary, will you Dirty, give to Seniors that may help Senior Ball? NONE, to date. All you will ever be Dirty, is just a small person, not a man, one who, will always be nothing. How rude, on our parts. THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: For many of us, Dirty, you are lower than whales crap in the deepest oceans. So, stupid Dirty, Joe, is very happy with the old rules. Keep the games as the game was last year. Get this dump ass; most Seniors want a good bat & ball combination & to enjoy the game of softball. If, not, many Seniors will stop or play close to home. This also, includes, never having to read any more of your crap, Dirty, or my rude remarks; because, almost everyone understands that Dirty, is a trouble maker with no ability. Stuff It Boy..... THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: You just can't keep your big mouth shut, can you? Any post by Joe, insures that you, Dirty, will make another rude, insulting , off the wall, & uncalled remark I bet that two post, will get deleted today. Dirty, o mighty one, please, tell this Message Board, what to do. O wise & all knowing one, last year, SS-USA, did widen the plate 2 inches. When will you, Dirty, leave this poor Seniors Message Board? One of Dirty's, latest post: "When the plate has to be widened to accommodate the special bats it is time to abolish the game. " O.K., but, first, please Dirty, leave. Many have stop posting Dirty. Why? Because of you Dirty. THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Major plus team petitioning to AAA THE WOOD: SO! LECAK: A few questions & I am not able to move the forest because, of the trees. The following numbers come from SS-USA. 1) In the 50's: 172 teams; AAA- 76 teams; MAJORS- 45 teams; MAJOR PLUS- 6 - 12 teams. How many AA teams are willing to move up to AAA? How many AAA teams are willing to move up to Majors? How many Major teams are willing to go to Major Plus? Will 20 Major teams move up to Major Plus & 20 AAA teams move to Majors? I don't think so! 2) In the 55's: 120 teams only; AAA- 53 teams; MAJORs- 26 teams; Major Plus- 8-12 teams. Now, there is only about 30 teams in AA. Leave this division alone? Same question as in the 50's. But, we will or can only move 13 teams out of AAA & MAJOR? SS-USA, do you SS-USA, want to weaken or start more problems? 3) In the 60's: 159 teams; AAA-65 teams; MAJORS- 27 teams; MAJOR PLUS- 8-12 teams. (55 AA teams) Do we move 5 AA teams up to AAA? 15 AAA teams to MAJORS? 10-12 MAJOR teams to MAJOR PLUS? I believe that Seniors need to face the numbers crunch. Major Plus, in the 50, 55, & 60's have a shortage of teams, players, etc. SS-USA & their members, may have an unsolveable / impossible issue. This "issue", may take several years or more to "fix". In fighting & finger pointing, will not help. This problem, will not go away on its own. THi-J |
| Jan. 2, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Major plus team petitioning to AAA LECAK: Joe, you are just wasting your time. No one is listening. 1) Seniors Players, will always find something wrong. We like to whine. That is the mature of the beast (old men). 2) There will always be Seniors, teams , rules, that may or may not make sense. Rules, will help some & may then 'put" others at a disadvantage. ( More crying.) 3) Most Seniors, want to win. That is why, many teams play down or sandbag. Joe, how many teams in the AA, AAA, & MAJORS, get moved up & disband? Form new teams or just do not play the rest of the year? 4) Fairness? Ask the AA'S, in the 55's & 60's, that watched Tharaldson's, teams win several Worlds in AA, year after year & never stay in AAA. Talk about paid players. Must be nice to own ones own private jet & fly ones players all over! 5) SS-USA, made the mistake of listening to Major Plus Survey. Last year rules where just what the NorCal & other Major Plus teams & players wanted. The unseen problems: many teams that played in Major Plus, got their butts beat badly. Very few enjoyed watching / playing in a one sided 2 1/2 hour game. BORING. In the 50's, there were only 2 powerful Major Plus teams. The other 10 teams or so, could not compete. No, we do not want a SUPER MAJOR PLUS DIVISION, in the 50 or 55's. 6) SS-USA, does not have their own Ump, like ASA, ISA. NSA, or USSSA. This appears to be a problem. The Umps that are willing to do Senior games, do not know Senior Rules. SS-USA, want K.I.S.S.; (keep it simple stupid); standard rules for all age groups, inorder to help the game & Umps. I am not lying, about K.I.S.S. SUMMARY: Who should SS-USA, listen to? Why or will, teams that get move up, stay, once "forced" to a higher level? Sponsor Teams or Players, are the Sponsored Teams or Players harming Senior Softball? What or can or should anything be done about Sponsor Teams? Seniors, why, can we Seniors, not get along or just haev fun? THi-J |
| Jan. 1, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... JOE: What are you, Joe, not reading? The safety issuse might be answered with a different ball. If, SS-USA & the Bat companies, have known that the 40 & 44 cor balls are unsafe; that the 47 & 50 cor balls are safer balls. Fact: A 44 cor ball with a 375 comp, travels 11 feet farther than a 47 cor ball with a 375 comp. This 44 cor ball has an impact of 1400 PSI, what is the impact of the 47 cor ball? The AMA, impact over 1200 PSI, causes massive / deaths. Fact: The 44 cor ball, has an impact of 1400 PSI. What is the impact for a 47, 50 or 52 cor ball that has a 375 comp? Which is the safer BALL? The present ball, a 44 cor ball with a 375 comp, is a ball that appears, to be the right ball. This ball should remain in the Men's 60, 65, 70 & 75. The 44 cor ball with a 375 comp, should also, remain in 55's. This is a "real" question. The 40's & Men's 50 Major & Major Plus, the 52 cor ball with a 275 comp, again, might be the safer ball? Joe, SS-USA, did a Major Plus survey. Why, has SS-USA, not done a Ball Survey, in the past? Will a 50 cor or 52 cor ball, with a 375 comp, travel as far? less? ( compaired to the 44 cor, 375 comp ball) What is the impact of a 50-52 cor, 375 comp ball? THiJ |
| Jan. 1, 2009 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: In the last 5 days or so, almost 50 post by you, Dirty, have been deleted. Disparaging comments directed toward any individual, is the main reasons, for ones deleted post. This also, includes rude & insulting remarks. Even ones directed toward ....... Dirty, from your last post: "the average IQ on this board must be 85. You guys simply have NO comprehension." Add to this, the arguring & insults directed to Joe, is why, Dirty, your post get deleted. The only bad part about this, sometimes, post by others that are in good taste, also, get deleted, because of you (Dirty.) THi-J |
| Dec. 31, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: Are you feeling a great deal of hostility? "Do you ever tell the entire truth?" No. Dirty, face the facts. Few Seniors like you! Fewer Seniors can stand the site of you! Yes, I should not state the above. INAPPROPRIATE & DISPARGING comments. THi-J |
| Dec. 31, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: I don't care what bats are used...... DIRTY: Nice post. Starting the 2009 MLB saeson, MLB, will start new guide lines for MLB bats. 1) MLB, abopted the -3 1/2 oz rule. A 34 inch long bats, must weigh at least 30 1/2 oz; A 33 INCH LOG BAT MUST WEIGH 29 1/2 OZ; & so on. 2) MLB bat handles can be so long & must be so thick. These rules were brought about for safey. Maple Bats were kiln dried in excess. Maple Bats, were dried too much, in order to get lighter bats. This " excesses " kiln drying, is the factor, that caused most Maple Bats to break; during the 2008 season. KILN DRY- is a process that dried moisture, from wood. Wood has may properties. If, one takes too much water from a Bat, that Bat, becomes brittle & much easier to break. THi-J |
| Dec. 30, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Bats Discussion: Senior bat vs USSSA bats ? BY THE BAY: The second question that was not asked. 1) "If, an ASA BAT, is set at 98 MPH, when some ASA 98 MPH bats do break in, reach 101.5 MPH; this will adds 27 feet." 2) "If, a ISA, NSA, USSSA, (1.20 bpf) bat, is set at 100 MPH, when some of these bats do break in, will these bats reach 103.5 MPH, or more? If, so, will this add another 18 feet to the already 27 feet?" ( 27' + 18'= 45 feet) NOTE: NO SUCH DATA, may EXSIST or APPEARS TO BACK UP THIS CONCLUSION. 3) Last unanswer or asked questions. "If, Senior bats are "hotter" than ISA, NSA, USSSA bats, ( 1.20 BPF), are Senior bats 30 feet to 50 feet better?" Senior bats, are more than likely, depending on the bat weight & batter, 30 feet to 100 feet better, than most 1.20 BPF bats? NOTE: CONCLUSION & NO DATA has been found to support, this statement. THi-J |
| Dec. 30, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Bats Discussion: Senior bat vs USSSA bats ? BYTHE BAY: ONES ANSWER. ( 27 FEET or more.) How Much Does a Composite Bat's Performance Improve as it is Broken-in?By how much might a typical bat improve with use? A recent Master's Thesis from the Washington State University[1] studied the performance of composite slow-pitch softball bats and the performance improvements gained through various ways a bat might be modidified. The bar chart at right shows test results[1,2] for three bats that were broken-in naturally by hitting balls. Bats JN05 and JE04 are multi-walled composite bats and JA05 is a multi-walled aluminum bat. First, the bats were performance tested brand new, right out of the wrapper, in accordance with the high-speed cannon test (ASTM F2219) used by the ASA to certify bats. Then each bat was used to hit ASA certified 0.44 COR 375lb softballs 500 times in an indoor batting cage. Balls were pitched slow-pitch style, and batters were experience amateurs. After 500 hits the bats were performance tested again. Then another 500 hits and another performance check, and so on until 2000 hits were accumlated. The results in the bar graph show that all three of the bats showed noticeable improvement of 2.5-3.5 mph in batted-ball speed after the first 500 hits, followed by a slight decrease in performance after 1000 hits. The experimental evidence seems clear - the performance of a bat can improve significantly after the bat has been broken in naturally by using it to hit balls. What does a 3.5mph increase in batted-ball speed mean in terms of performance? The difference between a softball leaving a bat at 98-mph and a softball leaving a bat at 101.5-mph is about 27 feet in distance travelled. That could very easily be the difference between a pop fly to the outfield and a homerun. This improvement after break-in poses a problem for associations with bat performance standards and certification. All three bats started out meeting the 98-mph criteria (although the JN05 bat was pushing the limit) when tested brand new. However, after 500 hits, all three bats are now above the 98-mph threshold. The ASA requires that a bat pass the certification test at any time during its useful life. So, from the ASA viewpoint, these bats three bats are no longer legal bats after they have been broken in. This is largely why the ASA has moved to begin breaking in bats prior to sending them out for certification testing - and why very few composite bats are able to pass the 98-mph certification performance standard after being broken-in. Sorry, for this length post. Just the facts. THi-J |
| Dec. 30, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Bats Discussion: Senior bat vs USSSA bats ? BYTHE BAY: Forgot to add: ASTM F 1890, was used to test new bats. Not bats that after 100, 200, or so swings, broke in. ASA'S ASTM F 2290, added testing after a bat, broken in. This applies anywhere from 100 to just before a bat does break. Life of bats. Senior Bats, NSA, USSSA, NSA, & ISA, all use the revised ASTM F 1890 & 1.20 BPF? I am not sure if, these bats get tested after break in. THi-J |
| Dec. 30, 2008 THE HI-JACKER | Topic: Bats Discussion: Senior bat vs USSSA bats ? BYTHE BAY: The following comes from SS-USA, several years ago. The original standard ASTM #1890 is the 1.20 bpf, which has been the mainstay of most associations. The 1.20 standard uses a ball traveling at 60 mph at the point of impact. Both the new batted-ball speed test used by ASA and the expanded 1.20 test used by USSSA and NSA measure the performance of a bat at three points along the barrel. The original 1.20 bpf test measured the bat at a pre-determined spot known as the Center of Percussion (COP). The COP was the sweet spot on aluminum bats. However, the new composite bats were found to have sweet spots away from the traditional COP, which is why the new tests have begun bat "profiling," or testing the bat along three points on the barrel. ============================================== In other words: 1) Old test- ball shot at stationary bat, fired at 60 MPH 2) New test- ball shot at stationary bat, fired at 100 MPH. 3) Old test- COP, was the only place that ball was tested at. It, was found that the old bats, wood & aluminum; had only a Sweat Spot of only 1" to 2". 4) New test- COP, is tested, three places on a bat( not 1). Todays, "newer" bats, were found to have a Sweat Spot, 6" to 9". For a bat to be 1.20 BPF, B.B.S., can not exceed over 125 feet per second. B.P.F.:: is merely a mathematical ratio of Ball Speeds coming to & going off of a given bat. ASA'S ASTM F 2290, does not take into account bat speed in live field test. Batters were exceeding ASTM'S F 2290, mathematical equation. Equation used a batters swing speed of only 90 MPH. Only ASA, uses the ASTM F2219. Seniors are using a revised ASTM F 1890. Ball is tested on bat, in three places & not one spot; as in the older ASTM F 1890. This is just the tip of this Ice Berg. THi-J |
