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Nov. 16, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: California/Florida Bordering rules I do not have my notes in front of me at this time, so I am winging this response, but it should be pretty accurate anyway. Al33- You asked me to elaborate by asking 2 questions. I will answer each one separately. First, what was the original intent? California and Florida teams per SSUSA have a very large pool of players to pick from, not only in their States, but the bordering States. This has produced a large number of teams in these 2 States, and very strong teams at that, and weakoning the pool for those bordering States to produce the same. With all of the resources in California and Florida, they still tried to obtain the best players from the bordering States, like all teams do in rhe different regions. I believe the main goal was to produce more teams in other States that border California and Florida, by not allowing them to draw from the bordering States. One of the biggest flaws was that these bordering States could draw from California and Florida, and not the other way around. I do not believe that would have made much difference anyway. Secondly, why is this a flop in my opinion? Honestly, it is not just my opinion, but SSUSA has admitted that it did not go the way they had anticipated, and said that it should just go back to the way it was. Of the teams that I am aware of, they drew many players from California(and I only assume the same for Florida), but it did not produce more teams in their States of any real significance. This whole thing was a test and a flop, but a nice try. Some of the players I know from California that played in Nevada this past season, said they had a good time, but it got old travelling to a small tournament in Nevada or Arizona so many times. I have been told by several on the rules committee, that this rule should be repealed in the December meeting, but who knows till it is official. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: California/Florida Bordering rules Gary19- I am aware of some evidence, but not aware of what it is. I probably could ask around and find out, but I believe SSUSA already knows that this rule is a flop, for its original intent. Therefore, it is a high probability that this will be repealed in December, at least that is what I have been informed from SSUSA. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: California/Florida Bordering rules This is worth stating again. I just had a conversation with one of my players on MY TEAM, and I was floored, that he did not understand this rule. If he does not understand, then maybe others do not understand it either. I told him that I had several players that want to play on our new 60 Major Plus team, they are in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. He replied, "so what, I played on a team last year in another state that had California players on their team." I told him that other states are allowed to draw players from California and other bordering states, but California and Florida CANNOT draw players from any bordering state. He thought that I was kidding with him, then said how ridiculous is that. This rule needs to be repealed in the December rules committee meeting. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! We need more players/teams to read this, so we can express our thoughts, and get the right and fair results at the December rules committee meeting. Send emails to George up North, and maybe he will answer one of them. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Impact Player Corky- You are not correct! How many places are you going to write this? LOL! See my explanation to you under re-rating a player, where you posted previously. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus Andy
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated? titanhd- You are correct, but teams have received permission from Big George in Sacramento and allowed to play 2 divisions down for the entire season. What makes it OK for one team and not for another?? I do not have an answer to that question. Maybe we can ask Terry or Mr. Ruth, as they know how to get around the rules and work the system. Corky- you are not correct. It does not matter what you batted or what position you played, you could get not labeled as a Major Plus player. I have done this several times for players that fill in for my teams. In fact, the last time was for my Major team, and I got him on a AA team, where he belongs. BUT, you would need a release from that team and approval from Big George, who will generally call the manager to discuss. He has not paid his phone bill this month, so no calls are being taken or made. BTW, George is a nice guy, and has to do whatever Terry and Mr. Ruth give him for a guideline. John- You do deserve a callback or email or something. Honestly, there is no written rule for re-rating a player. It is by association, otherwise, there would be total kaos in senior softball. We have enough as it is. Ken- That is very true! Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Impact Player grumpy55- This will add in helping to clarify the "2.5 run" rule, which is unwritten. First read the thread entitled, "Impact Player Rule is a Joke!!" Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Grumpy55- The above is your answer to the 2.5 rule, which is an unwritten rule. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated? grumpy55- The "2.5 run" rule is an unwritten rule developed by W.E. Ruth to keep them in a lower division, because Mr. Ruth did not like the new "impact player" rule, so he invented this to keep his team's lower status. To answer what it is, please go to the message thread entitled, "Impact Player Rule is a Joke!!" It is explained in great length there. Happy reading!! Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated? Hey John, Looks like every player is going to want to get re-rated now. What a can of worms this post is going to open. ROFLMAO!! You know 2 of our former Major Plus players played with a AAA team all year. Does that make them AAA players now, especially, since their team probably met the "2.5 run rule??" Oh my goodness, what a mess this has caused, and so much confusion. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated? Al33, You are 100% correct, except for one key point. The direction you gave John was for re-rating a team, which has all of the pertinent instructions. I believe John is asking for the "unwritten rule" for re-rating a player, which is not on the site that you mentioned(I could be wrong though). I have been able to get this done in the past for a few players, but John wants to get this done for one special player(s), that I know need to be re-rated as an individual and not by association. This is because of ability and/or current injuries that have made that player not what he once was. John, you may have to follow the team appeal procedure to obtain an answer. I never had to do that, and took care of it with a phone call and followed up with an email. Right now, I would not tell them that you know me. I am not one of their favorite people at this time. LOL! I sent you an email John. Hope all things are going well. Sorry to hear about your knee situation. Hope you and Pam have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving! Take care my friend, Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Tate22, I agree with most of what you said. Having the 3 levels would eliminate a team like W.E. Ruth from jerking around with the rules, and we would not have the unwritten "2.5 run rule". As a matter of fact, we probably would not have any unwritten rules. That would be nice! Of course, maybe they will try for another level of play? LOL! Don, I know your ultimate goal is to have more teams to play, and I am in the same dilemna, and worse than yours. There are not that many 60 teams for us to play. It is what it is. Have a great season Don, and hope to see you out there soon. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Impact Player SSUSA Staff, Of course, this does not apply to W.E. Ruth, because they come under the unwritten rule most commonly known as the "2.5 run rule." LOL! Or, is it the thinking, that we will do whatever we want, because we own half the company? Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Impact Player mad dog, The only purpose for the rule in 2012 being 3 and 2013 and subsequent years being 2, was to gradually get teams to adjust their situations. Otherwise, it was slated to be 2 in 2012. Nothing more and nothing less. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Impact Player The term "impact player" is now termed "out-of-rating" player, as I previously stated in some other post you may have read. The SSUSA staff is not completely answering your question, and they know what you want to hear. The terms "impact player", "out-of-rating player", or whatever you want to call it was addressed on September 21, 2011 as shown below. ROSTER COMPOSITION RULES • §15.1(1) B. 3. A 'Major' team roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than Major for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [Major Rule] • §15.1(1) C. 3. A 'AAA' team roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than AAA for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [AAA Rule] • §15.1(1) C. 3. A 'AA' roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than AA for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [AA Rule] As you can see, it has plenty to do with team ratings. All of the above rules negated by the "2.5 run" rule, for teams(like W.E. Ruth) that do not like the new rules, nor care to follow the new rules, put into place by Terry and Mr. Ruth. Just thought that I would elaborate this a little. LOL! Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Leftyodoul, I guess after begging, W.E. Ruth just has to make an unwritten rule approved by himself or Terry to get their way. How convenient is that. I know this should be dealt with at the rules committee meeting in December. Once this is rectified, then we just have to be aware that there will be another unwritten rule, and it will benefit W.E. Ruth in some devious way. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 13, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Jawood, I was reading one of your posts under "Ratings on team in championship game". Not everyone will agree with everything expressed, but never give up your right to express your views, especially, do not let the "brass" wear you down. Sometimes things will change, but not if we throw in the towel. Even if I lose the battle in my thread here(and I should not), I will win the war. Players and teams will be looking at W.E. Ruth teams in a different light from now on. I believe in the system, and for SSUSA, it is the rules committee. The "brass" should be over-ruled on this issue in December. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they do not, and if enough players or teams feel strongly enough on a particular issue, we are the majority. Of course, if and when over-ruled, there should be another unwritten rule put in its place. LOL! We will address that one next, once we find out what it is. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 12, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Double10, East or West, W.E. Ruth is Major Plus. I have heard from teams that know their players, that they sometimes had a different 5 Major Plus players into their tournaments. Does that mean they get to keep more than 5 Major Plus players on their team and play in the Major division?? Several teams did the same, so it must have legal or unwritten, I do not know?? The border rules for California and Florida are now starting to make more sense for its intent. It might have been smoke-screened to be for another reason, but it really was to give W.E. Ruth a higher probability to not only win the Phoenix Worlds, but the Triple Crown?? Cripple the competition was the ultimate plan?? We should just take one of Jack's photos of W.E. Ruth, and put it in the SSUSA newspaper, then title it "Triple Crown Winners". LOL! Then, maybe we could ALL play by the same rules????????????????? Have a nice day guys! Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 11, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! To all players, The "impact player" rule or best known to many as "out-of-rating" player rule, is NOT the main issue here. It is the means to make for a more fair and equal playing field for all teams in whatever age/division. The intent for this rule was to achieve a truer AA, AAA, Major, and Major Plus division, as it was supposed to have been all along. With all this nonsense being allowed over the years and under the table to favor some teams and players and owners, it has slipped away from its true intent. I have had phone calls over this recently and many emails as well. Many players know what main team that I am talking about...and that would be W.E. Ruth. That team is loaded with Major Plus players, and with this "2.5 run" unwritten rule put into effect without notice, it negates the effect of putting teams on an equal playing field for them and others. I know it effects other teams as well, and that was not the purpose for putting this rule into effect. W.E. Ruth needs to eliminate this favored rule and move their team up to Major Plus or dump their Major Plus players. Once that is done, then all the others teams that fall into that catagory, can choose to do the same. Then and only then, we can attempt to have teams playing in AA, AAA, Major, and Major Plus on a fair playing field. It is a shame that players, teams, and especially ownership has to resort to these measures to achieve their goals of winning, instead of playing for the spirit of the game as it was intended. Thanks for the opportunity to say it as it is. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 11, 2011 Duke	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!! Mad Dog, I do not agree with that at all. Right now the supposed rule states that a AA team can pick up 3 AAA players. If I were going to do something along your thinking, I would say for a AA team to be allowed 3 AAA players or 1 Major player plus 1 AAA player, or just one Major Plus player and no AAA players. This way things are all kept pretty much equal. Remember Bob, although players may be coming from a AAA team, they could very well be Major Plus caliber, just not labelled as such. Take care, Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus

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