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Gary Sommers

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Shaker Heights, OH

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Dec. 17, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Well, perhaps I value the rubber because I don't see the point in letting guys pitch from feet behind the rubber. Again, a rule made to accommodate the rocket launchers. :(

I smooth out a lot of the area in front of me, not just around the rubber. Again, there are many more 'issues' on the field (holes, ruts, rocks, etc.) than just the tiny rubber.

It is there to provide a consistent place to pitch from, just like the bases are there to provide a consistent place to run to. I have seen many more balls hit first and third base than I have seen hit the rubber, shall we replace those with chalk boxes too?

It is all part of the game, again if someone finds the risk too great take up Monopoly.
Dec. 17, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Webbie, I understand what you are saying but no I wouldn't wish that. I know the rubber does far more good than harm, and injuries are the chance I take. If not, I would play checkers.

I will just continue to smooth around it as all smart pitchers should, and accept it as a risk just like I do a whole bunch of things that can cause a bad bounce.
Dec. 17, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Purist....

For the first 30 years I played without limits games ended. What is so different now? It is the same game, or it should be. Though for the first 30 years we hustled on and off the field, did not waste time with ridiculous 'courtesy' runners, and did not artifically jack up scores with rocket launchers for bats.

I did not play with a draft until Seniors, yet again our games ended. Many of the changes made caused the issues that we now feel the need to make more rules to address.

Just a downward spiral.
Dec. 17, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Purist....

I have just been called a purist in another thread, which does not bother me at all, but it brings me to a question. I keep hearing how many of you guys still play for the love of the game. But what game?

The game you grew up with, or some game with run limits, time limits, mats, pitcher's boxes, pitchers looking like hockey goalies, second home plates, rocket launchers with 15" sweet spots, missing rubbers, and courtesy runners?

If you loved the game you grew up with so much that it helps to keep you playing, which is certainly a good thing, then why so many changes to it now? You either loved something for what it is, or you don't, or so it seems that way to me.

Thoughts?
Dec. 17, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Hitman, what base ump? How often do you play with one?

No Omar, not at all, and maybe I have just been lucky. But I have been pitching for 37 years and have NEVER had a ball hit a rubber in front of me.

There are MANY more issues with field conditions (holes, ruts, rocks, grooves, you name it) than the pretty tiny little rubber.

And, by the way, what is wrong with being a purist?
Dec. 16, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Hitman, so what is your view? We want to give umps more things to judge by having them judge/guess where the rubber would be if there was one, or less and have silly mats that create horizontal one-size-fits-all strike zones that they don't have to use any judgement with?

So what did that 52-hopper hit? The rubber? A hole? A rock? A rut? Any other normal and expected imperfection in the field?
Dec. 16, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

No, I am really not. I just think this is much ado about really nothing.

And I do see the purpose to the rubber. Without one, and knowing full well any attempt at a chalk line is going to disapperar very quickly, are guys saying they don't care where the pitcher pitches from? Or that we are going to leave it up to the judgement of the umpire while on the other hand we have the ridiculous mat to eliminate umpire judgement? Seems like some are talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Dec. 16, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Sure I have Webbie. I have also played on fields with many more rocks/rut/rough spots than rubbers with some piece sticking up.

Again, the game has risks as almost all sports do and not all can be removed. For those with reservations, take up Yazee.
Dec. 16, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Game length

mad dog, great point. It is hilarious to watch a guy leg out a double, standing no less, than need a 'courtesy' runner. Rule is a complete joke. Why not use courtesy throwers for shortstops who don't quite have the arm they used to have?
Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Holes often just result from a foot being placed in the same place so many times, not from any intentional act. Just smooth them each inning and they are not a problem.

For those who want to change everything they perceive is some safety risk, might I suggest Checkers? Backgammon? Bridge? Online Poker? Please leave this game alone.
Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Game length

Jawood, probably true but a good pitcher will ensure that the game does not crawl along. Even if 3 or 4 pitches are thrown to a batter the fielders will still feel alert and engaged if each pitch has a purpose and is not just a slow, lazy guy struggling out there.
Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Game length

In a tournament I suppose it can add up, but in league is 10 minutes really meaningful at all?

The tempo would get improved by good pitching, hustle, and NO bogus courtesy runners. How many times is it really a faster guy coming in, and not a healthier guy?
Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Much ado about very little
Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Pete, you are the one who wrote 'slab', not me.


Dec. 15, 2010
Dirty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Game length

"A 1 and 1 count will save UP TO 10 minutes a game." So will hustling on and off the field, and eliminating 'courtesy' runners (i.e. I need a faster guy to run for me even though I am perfectly healthy).

Paul, please tell me you aren't talking about the Silver League.
Dec. 14, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

hitman, I understand your concern. But a chalk line does not last long at all. Just look at how batter's boxes never last, and particularly not on a dry, dusty field.
Dec. 14, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

I will be sure to pass this alone. LOL
Dec. 14, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Omar, if you wouldn't mind would you please tell my kids I am still a youngster? :)
Dec. 14, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Perhaps he did mean that, but he wrote 'slab'.

Where I have always played the rubber is recessed into the ground, so while yes an edge can be exposed it is usually flush with the ground. And I make a point each inning of smoothing the ground around it so it is not sticking up above ground level.

As much as you can you have to help yourself.
Dec. 14, 2010
Dirty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers rubber

Isn't that what the pitching rubber has always been? A 'rectangular slab of rubber'. What else has it ever been?
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