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July 21, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

Exact ruling

Rule 8, Section 8, Paragraph E
Runner is Not Out
"When a runner is hit with a fair untouched batted ball over foul territory that in the umpire's judgment no fielder had an opportunity to make an out. "

July 21, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

Not covered in SSUSA

In ASA if a runner is hit in foul teritorry with a fair batted ball and no defensive player had a chance to make an out the ball remains alive and in play.
July 21, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

2 bases
No different than any fair ball going into dead ball area
July 21, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ball Fair or Foul???

The way the rule book reads and is what I have always called and been umpiring for 31 years is

A ball that hits ihe ground in fair area in the infield and bounces over 1st or 3rd and goes over the bag annd lands in foul area , that is called the bounding ball rule and would be ruled a fair ball.


The part about a ball hitting a bag and bouncing back towrd home being foul
I have no idea where staff come up with that ruling but in every rule book I can find that would also be declared a fair ball
July 16, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

Winner Winner Chicken dinner

Sounds like BJ found the answer and it sounds like a good rule
July 16, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

Just reread what SSUSA STAFF wrote

say if the ball touches third and goes back toward home in foul ground it is a foul ball.


NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY

Once the ball touches first or third it can never be called a foul ball
July 16, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

I am going to break down the rules as I read them and then I guesss it will be up to higher powers on what the final ruling would be.

Once the ball hits first or third base it is a fair ball by rule, and can never be ruled a foul ball. If it hits the base and rolls into foul territory and goes into a dead ball area it would be a double.

But back to the topic

Ball hits third automatically a fair ball.

Next rule is, it only says any time a runner is hit with a fair batted ball while not in contact with the base and the defense is behind him he will be called out.
( does not say unless the runner is hit with a fair batted ball while in foul area).

So as an umpire as quick as the ball hits the base I would point toward fair area because the ball just became fair.

Then I would call dead ball because the ball hit the runner not in contact with the base.
And NOW THE CRAZY STUFF HAPPENS


Just going by what is written in the rule book it says he is out.
But might be hard to sell.

But at least you could go back to the rule book and show someone why you called him out..



I think the easiest way to clean that up would add:

Any fair batted ball that strikes a runner while over foul ground is a dead ball and all runners advance one base if forced.


I am scrathing my head trying to figure out how a declared fair ball for hitting the base now becones a foul ball?



July 16, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

I am going to break down the rules as I read them and then I guesss it will be up to higher powers on what the final ruling would be.

Once the ball hits first or third base it is a fair ball by rule, and can never be ruled a foul ball. If it hits the base and rolls into foul territory and goes into a dead ball area it would be a double.

But back to the topic

Ball hits third automatically a fair ball.

Next rule is, it only says any time a runner is hit with a fair batted ball while not in contact with the base and the defense is behind him he will be called out.
( does not say unless the runner is hit with a fair batted ball while in foul area).

So as an umpire as quick as the ball hits the base I would point toward fair area because the ball just became fair.

Then I would call dead ball because the ball hit the runner not in contact with the base.
And NOW THE CRAZY STUFF HAPPENS


Just going by what is written in the rule book it says he is out.
But might be hard to sell.

But at least you could go back to the rule book and show someone why you called him out..



I think the easiest way to clean that up would add:

Any fair batted ball that strikes a runner while over foul ground is a dead ball and all runners advance one base if forced.


I am scrathing my head trying to figure out how a declared fair ball for hitting the base now becones a foul ball?



July 9, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: nsa in gadsden and boaz al

I will drive the extra hour for better ran tournament.
July 7, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: midwest toc, shawnee,ks

Celebration Park in Gardiner looks like a very nice Complex. I looked and cannot find that Cow Pature you are speaking of.
June 23, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

It is but kind of tricky
It says that if the third out of an inning is a force out that no preceding runs would count.

Same scenerio is if a runner that is on second runs off the bag and a tag is applied and the SS throws to 1st before the Batter runner gets to 1st it would not matter if the runner at third scored before the out at first was made .
Since the batter runner in the above scenerio never touched 1st that made it a force out and the force out was the third out of the inning
June 23, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Strangest play I have ever seen

This past weekend this happened and after I dug deeper the umpire was correct

Bases loaded with 1 out battter hits it in the gap ruuner on third scores then runner on 2 nd scores runner on firts gets thrown out between third and home. mean while the batter runner is standing on third. The defense appeals the runner on third missed first and was called out. Umpire rule that no runs counted because the third out of the inning was a force out at first was the 3rd ouit and no runs counted. I was totally confused and looked it up and that was the correct ruling.

Kudos to that umpire for knowing that one
June 13, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

1st off the umpire missed the award.
He is suppose to go to third.
Remember he gets two bases on an overthrown ball into dead ball area.
He already had 1st.
But with all that being said. He would be out on an appeal. If any runners had scored they would count.
June 9, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

There lies a problem
in all associations except seniors he would be awarded home. But it is not detailed in the Senior book so about 90% of the umpires would have gotten this wrong. When the SSUSA field director comes and makes a different ruling then the umpires look like they do not know what they are doing.

I have umpired in 4 seperate associations and they all are the same
they have assumed to have touched unless appealed


June 7, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

Dave lets discuss this one in Tupelo over a cold one
June 6, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

I really believe if you asked any Major League umpire. they would disagree with you and the softball and baseball rule is the same on awarding bases

Same scenerio
runner goes down the 1st base line and misses 1st makes a quick turn toward second SS throws it into dead ball area.
Where does the runner go?

June 6, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

If the umpires have that authority then why would he not call a runner out if he missed 2nd on his way to third and the outfielder throwed it to the SS while he is standing on 2nd NO Appeal but the umpire calls him out cause he say him miss second .
Same thing once a runner passes a base he has assumed touched it without an appeal.
June 6, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

So now you are saying that a when a ruuner passes a base he has not assumed to touch it without an appeal
SSUSA STAFF you cannot have it both ways LOL

You would award him home. would be out if the defense appeals him for missing 2nd
June 5, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

Ok one last one to really scratch you head on


Runner on 1st long fly ball right fielder runs back to catch the ball. The runner on first tagged up however the defense is not sure they start hollering throw it to first.

The 2nd baseman cuts the ball and throws toward 1st and over throws the ball into dead ball area. However the runner was between 2nd and third but the umpire saw the runner miss 2nd.
Where do you place the runner?
June 5, 2014
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One base or two?

and remember made means he had already touched 1st before the fielder let go of the ball.
You would think that would never happen that an outfielder throws the ball toward 1st after the runner had already touched the base,


SSUSA Staff is correct two from last base legally accquired which means he had already touched it
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