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Feb. 28, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 MAJOR & MAJOR PLUS COMBINED

Mario, we are blessed indeed.

In NorCal many years ago the older players got together and formed their own players association....NCSSA...

Once organized, they stood together and TOLD the tourney directors what they were looking for.

The organization has around 100 senior teams...they break every tourney up into six team/5 game brackets...

There is a ranking committee that breaks the teams into groups based on ability...

If by chance a team from one group plays another lower level group team in the tourney there are runs spotted and or an extra player...

We use the 1 up homerun rule to keep scores close.

If...there are some senior leagues in your area...you could get all the coaches together and attempt to do as NCSSA...

I am sure the NCSSA board of directors would be up for sharing just how they built such a successful program...they can be found at "NCSSA 2014" on the net.
Feb. 26, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 MAJOR & MAJOR PLUS COMBINED

Mario, you'd have to break into three per team not four.

I also believe if my concept was emplemented there is a good chance two groups of six would find find six quality players to make TWO Plus teams....

Also....it is my belief if the plus champion was weakend each year more bumped Major teams would stick in Plus ball.

As far as sponsoring teams goes....I have no pity for the guys that will not pay for their own hobby....if you need to split an entry fee 13 ways it's peanuts...and....you'd be hard pressed to find more then a very few teams that pay for their players hotel/rental cars/air fare....

As for the tourney thing....in NorCal we are lucky...there are 25 back yard NCSSA/all world/NSA/Ssusa events we can play in. We even have a ton of over 40 events to play in..
Feb. 25, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 MAJOR & MAJOR PLUS COMBINED

So Mario.....the question to ponder is...

If the powerhouse players that seem to most of the time be playing on Sunday at Plus worlds/events were limited to a certain amount of players per team per team...would more Major teams move up?

My answer is........YES

IF MORE MAJOR TEAMS MOVED UP????

Would there be more spots available to players (like yourself) to be on Plus rosters?

AGAIN....my answer would be......YES
Feb. 25, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 MAJOR & MAJOR PLUS COMBINED

Mario, sorry to read a player with your prowess has no options for a Plus team.

It kinda ends the notion some on this site has have written about Plus doing fine/just leave us alone.

My view has kinda evolved on breaking up Plus champions...at this time I would first try to allow the keep Plus Championship teams together EXCEPT..at Worlds they would have to play in the next youngest age groups Major division for the next two seasons...

If...the champion team wanted to build a team to play in the Plus division they were champion in...they, along with every other Plus team, would have to fit under the roster restrictions of no more then 6 "in age group" plus champion players.

Feb. 24, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 50 MAJOR & MAJOR PLUS COMBINED

I am with swing...NEVER COMBINE major and Plus...amost all the Plus guys have been saying...

"leave us alone...we just want to play against the best...our Plus program is doing just great.... And....WHATEVER YOU DO!!! DONT TRY TO RESTRICT THE POWER HOUSE PLUS TEAMS THAT ARE KEEPING THE MAJOR TEAMS FROM WANTING TO MOVE UP".
Feb. 24, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: So the question was....how to get more teams to play Major Plus

Last years dbo rule change was a great addition to senior ball.

The dbo rule adds strategy both on offense and defense and brings more a more competitive balance into the game. You cannot just get ten meats and pound ball after ball over the tense.
Feb. 22, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: So the question was....how to get more teams to play Major Plus

Dave, I think allowing three upper ranked players is fine....

How about the teams that choose to have upper level players have to spot other teams two runs for every upper level player?

As examples....

team A has 3 higher ranked rosters players, team B has 1 higher ranked rostered player... Team B gets 4 runs.

Team A has 3 higher ranked rosteredplayers, team B has zero higher ranked rostered players....team B gets six runs.

That way..a team has to register how many higher ranked rostered players they will be able to have for that season.

Then all SSUSA has to do is add the teams roster limits total to their roster so everyone knows how many higher ranked players they have decided to be able to carry and what their run spotting number if.
Feb. 20, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: looking for a softball clinic out here in the west...and ideas where and when?

Mike, I am starting a Sports Academy in Concord ca starting next Tuesday.

I taught softball and baseball hitting for over 20 years, and since my wife is kinda getting tired of me sitting at home almost every night she has given me a hall pass to once again teach hitting and softball pitching...

If that's something you would be interested in?

I can be reached at tmservices@pacbell.net

I have worked with 100s of players over the years.....some of them even became USSSA Major list players...
Feb. 20, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: So the question was....how to get more teams to play Major Plus

Cal 50, actually my main thing is not forcing many just above average Major teams into Plus ball.
As far as breaking up Plus champions goes...if I was in charge Plus champions could stay together BUT..when they go to Worlds they qualify for the next lowest age groups Major program...that way they still can play with all their friends and don't have to disband.
Feb. 19, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: So the question was....how to get more teams to play Major Plus

In a thread below I gave an idea that "might" make Plus a little more enticing for bumped Major teams.

Voicing that concept has brought five emails to me from different plus players; and numerous other posts on that thread saying how wrong minded my idea was.

So, with that said..

How about some of you brainstorming with ideas to answer that original question.

If SSUSA wanted to get more teams into the Plus division how should they do it?
Feb. 18, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Rich, yes our 55 team should be fun to play with but...with the varsity MTC 55 team, Arizona Elite and others in 55s next year our MTC Jayvee team will have to play out of our minds to win worlds.

It's really nice for a change to read all the Plus guys saying Plus is great..leave us alone.

It just seems like yesterday many Plus players were crying for more Major teams to get bumped or merged to beat up on.

As for our team...we have not cut a player in years (only 1 guy left in the last three seasons)

Unlike many other Plus teams..we do NOT cut friends to try to give us a bettsr chance to win what I see as a meaningless "ring".

If...the rules were to only return six plus champions till we reach the next age group I'd be fine with it..we could still stay together and just find different teams for the couple/few SSUSA events we play.

Heck...maybe SSUSA would allow returning plus champions with more then six players to play in the next youngest age groups Major division...maybe we'd do that????
Feb. 17, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Bob, it's very interesting that I tried to address most of the points you tried to make and share with you your wrong assumptions about our team and myself.

It's disapointing you were unable to understand that I was addressing the "issues" you posted.

It you have paid any attention to when I post about restricting plus champions to a certain number or champion players you should know...I only do it after some plus guy talks about trying to force even more weaker major teams to the plus level...

It is my belief only Major world champion teams should get bumped to Plus...if all the Plus guys just want to play the "best" why do many of them continue to call for getting more weaker major teams into their games?

With that said...Bob, do you think like I do that only the Major world champion should be bumped to Plus...or do you want weaker major teams bumped also?
Feb. 17, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Bob....it's great to know you think Plus ball is NOT broken.

Does that mean we can throw out any talk of merging Major with Plus?

Does that mean we can throw out any talk of changing the home run rule?

Does that mean we can throw out any talk of changing the roster restrictions?

Does that mean we can throw out any talk of trying to bump more Major teams?


Now onto the different winners thing...if you actually look at the list STAFF posted...40% of the winners won more then once.

But that doesn't tell the whole story...how many of the dominant teams were in the final three most of the years?

You say 2 through 4 at worlds are not dominant type teams and should NOT be bumped....maybe you should check out who has been bumped over the last few years...NorCal had ebo, Warriors, aftershock, MTC all bumped and they had never been in the top two at worlds when they were bumped to Plus.

Maybe you should go look and see if the world is still not flat because you seem to be a little wanting on history.

Major plus thinking they should be treated differently...I do not believe any division should be treated any different...age groups yes...they should be allowed different rules as we age...

Bob....you would be hard pressed to find anything posted by me saying I don't want to be major plus in our age group....again...

better go check that flat earther thing...

you are also wrong again on us not playing much SSUSA because we are major plus....for the record I'd just as soon our team only play SSUSA worlds because I hate three day events....besides...senior ball is a little boring to me...If I had it my way we would be playing a lot of USSSA E.

Bob, I am wondering if your attitude towards me talking about Plus changes falls into the same category as those that talk about changing plus homerun rules, roster restrictions, or merging major with plus....yet....somehow...

I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a post with you attacking those ideas and the people that post thinking of changes to plus...maybe you can prove me wrong and attack the original poster of this thread that talked about changing plus stuff....

In the end Bob....I would guess your one of the ones that feel special being a senior plus champion....I say that because of your vigar in coming after my idea that weakening the top plus teams would help grow the plus divisions....at one point in my life I too put much value into a softball ring...fortunately...that only lasted a few years between 28-32...

Now I just have one more question for you....I know your not a flat earther so....can you use this a teachable moment for me...I am a little slow so please don't use any big words...

On the flat earthers thing... I wanted to check that one before I answered your post....so.....I took my level out to the garden and set it on the ground....the bubble was dead center...I always thought that meant something was level/flat???????
Feb. 17, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Mike, defining a dynasty team is VERY easy.

It's any team with a record that would have them be bumped up if they were in the AA AAA MAJOR divisions.

As an example...our MTC team was jumped to Plus after placing third, and I think fourth, at back to back Worlds...that's right...we never made the finals.

So...using us an example.... Dynasty teams that hinder upward team movement (hurt the division they are in) are easy to see in the AA. AAA MAJOR senior divisions...why is it so difficult to see them hurting Plus ball?

Plus has been withering on the vine and it seems like no one can think outside the box and TRY methods to help the division...if the six player Plus restrictions were tried???? I am sure in two or three years the results could be measured.

As an example...our MTC 50 Plus team is moving to 55s...IF.....there were restrict like I mentioned...we just might have been able to compete (we won ONE bracket game at the last two worlds)..and maybe ??? We would not have dropped the younger two players on our team to move to 55s...
Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

SSUSA Staff.....I understand it's easier to keep the status quo but...

When something has had the problem Plus ball has had, I would think..... the powers to be would try to think outside the box...

If it's not a "tuff concept to grasp".....

How about grasping what's been keeping the Plus divisions so limited in team numbers AND SHARING YOUR BELIEFS WITH US?

It's my belief dynasty type teams remaining year after year in plus ball are one of the main reasons...

Is it that hard to grasp..

what works in every other division in SSUSA, removing dynasty teams from the division...should be worth trying in the Plus divisions.

If I were in charge of trying to grow the Plus division in SSUSA..I would limit Plus Champions to no more then Six plus champions on their roster till they reach the next age group....can you grasp that concept and enlighten me to my ignorance?....

Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

I guess what it comes down to is a dislike for the dynasty teams that want a merger with major because they don't want to play the same couple teams all the time....

If you want to play against the best....make sure no inferior major teams are forced into your bracket.

As it is.....,many players win multiple world rings in Plus..that is very rare in any of the thriving SSUSA AA, AAA, Major divisions.
Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Meant to say....top four in ach event.
Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Staff,, you listed 20 plus teams and half of them were the same teams...
Is that possible in any other division of SSUSA?

Also...you failed to list the four four in each event also...how many of those teams that didn't win would have been bumped in the lower levels..

As an example our MTC 50 team never won a ring or playedin the championship game yet we were bumped from a Division.
Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

SSUSA staff..

How many of those champions would have still been playing in the division Worlds they "won" if roster restrictions in Plus were the same as in all your other Divisions?

You know...all the other divisions that are NOT having the same problems as Plus ball!!!!

Please remember you guys bump dominate teams during the season and after for not winning but instead dominating the division they are in.

Maybe instead of listing teams, you can enlighten us on why roster restrictions on dominat teams in the AA, AAA and Major Divisions are good for the health of those programs BUT the same rule doesn't merit support in the limited teams Plus Divisions?
Feb. 16, 2015
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How to get more teams willing to play in the Major-plus division

Alan, many other senior teams want to play with the same friends year after year. But...many teams get bumped and have to make player changes.

I guess it's my belief that those forced to compete changes should not stop at the Plus level.

I gave hitting lessons to many of the old A's players (now playing 70 seniors) they have over 28 world rings...almost none of them from below the Plus level.

The Mavericks one year were something like 112-3....last year Summerville was 49-3...

I seem to recall the team Mario played on from back east was proudly saying they had not lost a game east of the Mississippi for two years..

I do not believe dynasty's like these are healthy for any individual softball program.

I believe that if teams like summersville/Mavericks type and the Winners of last years Plus worlds were all limited to no more then 6 Plus champion/bumped players, until they reach the next age group, it would turn over the top and entice more teams to move up...

Breaking up around two teams/25 players into four or more teams instead of two in each plus division should be worth trying...

As for the friendship thing on teams goes...I to have many softball friends on my team...

I have been to exactly one of their houses for a dinner...that's why they are softball friends...would I want to lose any of them from my team? NO...then again...out MTC team has lost at least 10 softball friends from our roster as we age/try to stay competitive.

Last years 50 plus world for SSUSA was well attended..if they can keep numbers like that it would be great...but...from past observation.....'14 was an anomaly..

We are now playing 55 Major Plus ball...I

I hear that division has even less support.

Something has to be tried to grow Plus programs...nothing so far has seemed to work for all the Plus programs...why not try something that seems to work in every other level of senior ball...eliminating the dominant teams/rosters that are dominating.

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