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Dec. 19, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

Mike, I agree we will have to disagree on the kinda break up the plus champion thing
I believe plus struggles every year because on many occasions groups of player are allowed to win multiple rings with the same 10-1-12-13 guys.
Just like every other Division Champion is only allowed to return with a very limited amount of their bumped roster (3players to be exact) I believe the same should apply to the Plus Division except they should be allowed 100% more returners (6 players to be exact).
If we won the Plus World. Would support applying this to our group until if we decided to get together again in the next age group.
Now...maybe this new dbo rule will help incentivize bumped teams to try to play Plus...time will tell...
All we all do know is....how Plus is being run now....isn't working
Dec. 19, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Teams leaving SSUSA?

Tattoo....I agree...with the obvious success of SSUSA, others are comming after our senior dollars.

In NorCal we have local senior programs that give us a whole season worth of senior softball within 60 miles from home.

Traveling is a choice...not a need.

Dec. 19, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Teams leaving SSUSA?

Wow....a team that gets bumped to Plus decides to skip attempting to compete in it!

Unheard of...could this be a new trend;-)
Dec. 18, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

Patty, it's just that I believe complete players will happily welcome the new dbo rule.

Why? Because it gives those complete players more opportunity to shine/win...and NO...I am not one of those complete players either.

Matter of fact...on the softball field all I was good at as a youngster was hitting homeruns. A value (other then on baseball fields) that has been eliminated with the composite era.
Dec. 18, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

I play on the MTC50 team and will be a fill in on the 55 team. There is no 60 team.

I believe you have to turn over the top teams to improve the health/numbers of any softball Division.

That's why dominant AA teams get moved to aaa, why aaa teams get moved to Major and why Major teams get moved to Plus... I just believe Plus Champions should be treated the same as all those other Divisions just instead of only allowing three players to come back in the same Division I'd give Plus teams 100% more returning players...SIX

It's my view Plus is so limited for many reasons but the biggest two are...allowing groups of players to win multiple Worlds and unlimited homeruns without them being outs....I'll leave the going back to five runs per inning for another time.

I think having 11 teams at last years 50 Plus World was great....with the new dbo rule I would think its possible that there could be more then 15 teams this year.

As an example...I saw where Sports Center was turned down for reclass to major... That team plays a very good inside the park game...this dbo rule works to their advantage..why? Because it puts value on other then one dinemsional power hitters.

I agree teams can play whatever associations they want...it's to bad a rule rewarding complete hitters is going to run you guys off. Some just might see that as being scared of playing to top level of SSUSA now that you have been placed there.
I know our team was not happy to get bumped last year....but we took the challenge and felt competitive even while going 0-2.
Dec. 18, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

Patty...so let me understand.....

I was right about your Plus mentality of merging the Major Division. Except that your news didnt just happen...I don't think this is any special insight though...because the only guys that ever cry about merging the two Divisions are ALWAYS PLUS players.

I was right about your 50 team averaging around 15 homeruns per game in a MAJOR tourney.

Now your 50 major team complaining about not going to play ssusa Plus next year (your words not mine) even though that same team will now get 50% more homeruns per game as a Plus team before they reach their limit.

Congrats on the Hollis championships...although if I had my way...after you guys won your first World SSUSA would have only allowed you to return with six players till you reach the next age group.

I am a very limited defensive player on a Plus team.

I hit very few home runs on our team.

Unlike you....I have never won a SSUSA World.

Our MTC team was bumped to Plus in 2012 after comming in third at Vegas. We kept the exact same team/plus one pick up.... And were 2-0 in the round robbin then went 0-2 in the 2013 Vegas World tourney.

This season we again added one player...all of us live in NorCal. 8 of us played on the same city league team last year.

On your limited tourneys to play issue...I understand that could be frustrating...thank heavens in NorCal we have a strong senior program run by the players...NCSSA

I have to admit...I have no idea what this new rule will do in the 60+ age groups but...I believe its a great rule in the younger age groups.
Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How about a discussion on ow we think dbos will effect our games? And our assumptions why.

No I am not saying there is no place for slow guys in softball.

I do believe they should only be playing pitcher, catcher, AH, 1b and 3b though.


Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

Reads like more then a few on this thread were on the adiktive team that averaged around 15 homeruns per game in their last ssusa event.

Could it be that you guys don't think you will be able to compete in Plus without playing a glorified home run derby?

Don't be scared...

Learning to be more then a one dimensional home run hitter is fun and challenging...

Learning to field...now that's a different story.

Welcome to Plus ball.....

It's very challenging....

As an example.....we/MTC hit 780 as a team in Vegas and went 0-2

It's good to hear you guys screaming about playing unlimited will be playing in the top division next season.

With as vocal as some of you are about top players..I have one question....why didn't you guys volunteer on your own to play up last season;-)

Although...that might explain why patty a few posts up is calling for major and plus to be merged....that Plus sickness didn't take long to come out....."Now that we got bumped....lets get some teams we can beat up merge with our new Division".
Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Time to eliminate senior bats

The main reason I support senior bats is that to many cheaters will be swinging shaved kids bats.
Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: Why Not Have A Players Committee Of Real Players To Over See The Rules

He plays on one of the few major teams that were bumped in the last few years and actually tried to compete at Plus.

I believe his new rule will help teams that get bumped to try the next level. Why? Because power very often is a big difference from one Division to the next and this GREAT RULE reduces the power advantage.
Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How about a discussion on ow we think dbos will effect our games? And our assumptions why.

1) There will be less missile/rockets hit per game.

Why?
A) Because the very powerful hitter know if they cut the ball just a little it's going our of the park so they will adjust to aiming a little more often (when there is no one or just one baserunner) instead of just swinging hard.

B). Because once a team gets to around 2 or 3 homeruns from their limit, the powerful hitters will try many things to keep from WASTING one of the few homers left...pushing the ball, throttling down the bat speed for location instead.



2) There will be more balls hit up the middle (which will put pressure on the official to enforce a batters box)...

A) this will require the younger age groups to play a five man infield more often (thereby adding value to fast outfielders/even if they are not great hitters).



3) Hitters will pull the ball hard less often...

a) reducing the risk of injury to runners and first and third basemen.



4) less powerful teams will be "more able" to compete with the power teams..

a) power teams will have a harder time powering their way past less powerful teams., no more just hit it out then we you get close to the limit and then just hit dead ball walk after dead ball walk to fill the bases.

5) faster/smaller defensive players will have more value.

A) because defense will be more important because the opposition will be trying to keep the ball in the yard more often.

6) big sloths will be less valued (probably why some are crying so much about this dbo rule)

A) there are only so many catcher/AH/1B positions available.

There are a few....how about some more?
Dec. 17, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

I hope the powers are looking at this.

I say that because I want to thank them for making softball more then a glorified homerun derby.

On the other hand....USSSA is going to allow 15 home runs/then walks in their top tier, 10 homeruns in the next lowest.....so those of you that just want to pound homeruns will have a choice.

Personally....I believe the SSUSA new rule puts SSUSA in the drivers seat when it comes to building a better top program.... If I am going to fly to one world...SSUSA's new dbo rule sure is appealing.

Other then a couple teams...I believe most senior teams want to make power a little less valuable in softball. SSUSA is doing this. Thank you.

Dec. 15, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

Not every player in Plus wants unlimited home runs with no penalty.

Some of us that actually played with the youngsters later in life have experienced the enjoyment and challenges that home run limits add to the game.

It's using timely home runs instead of thinking your some stud after you hit that solo or two run home runs.

It's watching a talented hitter, hit a liner down the opposite line, it's that skilled hitter placing soft line drives all over the park.

It's being part of a game that isn't just a pull the ball all the time yankfest.

It's speedy outfielders covering the gaps.

It's second baseman that need range.

It's middle infielders that need to be able to bend over.

It's right fielders that need to be able to play defense.

I am also with leelee, reduce the amount of pinch runners...on our team, that will save the legs of our outfielders.
Besides....if all but one or two players in the lineup have to run for themselves....the smaller players could, have more value in the game.....

As for making Plus more Homerun dominated....that will reduce the amount of teams...not grow it....
Dec. 14, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

I think it will be great to see what this dbo rule does to the SSUSA game.

It's my guess it will REDUCE the amount of rockets hit.

Will increase the playing reward for the singles type players.

Will increase the playing reward for defensive players.

Make hitting much more challenging.
Dec. 13, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

Patty, ...I have yet to read of major guys not liking this rule....and more then a few Plus guys like it...especially the players that like defense and hitting with with skills instead of just blindly swinging away with senior bat "power".

Is the freedom your looking for...

*To hit softballs farther then you did when you were young.

*To hit more homeruns then you did when you were young.

* To hit rockets through the infield harder then you did when you were young.

If your all worry about the pitchers...how about inning ending outs for any hard hit ball that a pitcher touches.

It's amazing how many senior composite bat "Homerun hitters" are crying about a rule that I believe will reduce the amount of rocket balls hit per game, and actually bring back more defense and the need for better hitting SKILLS.


Dec. 13, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

I am with hammer and leelee...major plus as its been is nothing but a glorified homerun derby....

lets only allow one pinch runner per inning and every player can only pinch run once per game.

Maybe better yet...you can only pinch run for a player that last inning played catcher or AH...

If Plus is supposedly all great players.....how about forgetting pinch runners all together.

If all of a sudden everyone want to protect the pitcher..how about any ball the pitcher touches with his glove or any part of his body is inning ending.

Yah...DBOs after the limit and inning ends if a pitcher touches the ball at all.

That protects the pitcher and brings hitting skills back into the game.
Dec. 13, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

If we are going to open everything up to voting.

Lets vote on softer balls.

Lets vote on 1-1

Lets vote on two day tourneys

Lets vote on a larger mat

Lets vote on enforcing a smaller batter box

Lets vote on only allowing six Plus Champion players to return in the same Division

Lets vote..lets vote..lets vote.

On the dbo rule....I vote Yes...I like the new rule.
Dec. 12, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

Alan, I agree southern heat does a lot to soften softballs.

Out west there are many events, rock and roll Reno as an example, where it's not uncommon for average power hitters in the Plus Division to misfit balls 400 feet.

You were in Vegas.....some miss hit line drives were going 375.

Once the home runs get close to being gone...it's my belief that most Plus power hitters WILL NOT try to drive the all as hard as they can through the infield because they will fear cutting it just a bit and using a valuable home run or worse...hitting a dbo.

It's comical players talking about the risk of injury in any capacity in senior softball....that flew out the window with the senior bats.
Dec. 12, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

ASA bats get shaved or rolled....

I cannot see any relation to merging plus and major with dbos.

The two divisions should not be merged because the over all team talent levels are different.

I love the Dead all put ruling.

I'd support a one home run.... then one up rule..... with every up homerun counting as a foul ball over doing away with the new rule.

It's funny.....guys crying about player safety and supporting senior bats and rock hard balls at the same time...just amazing!!!!
Dec. 12, 2013
Tim Millette
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

I like the new home run rule...I hate composite bats and the rock hard balls we use..

Go to a softer ball or back to aluminum....

I agree...if the top level of ASA has home runs for outs....why shouldn't we?

But again.....if I could change anything...I'd vote for a softball that even to biggest hitters couldn't hit 350 feet.
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