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March 18, 2013 HJ	Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Catcher's verbal interference Smart umpire. I think the rule is discretionary and some umps let it go until it crosses some unclear boundary of propriety. By making it an absolute all discretion is out the window and talking by the catcher is interference. As a practical matter I would as that ump call it after the swing so the batter gets first no matter what, but gets more if he hits it. Giving the guy 1st after he is out will end all talk quickly. Some argue chatter is part of the game and ok until that unclear boundary is crossed. I prefer the absolute position taken by the ump in question.
March 16, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Gods Sports Company FACTS A quibble. I don't think anyone has seen a "factory" in the technical sense of what is a factory which is a building where goods are manufactured. What was most likely seen was a laboratory, perhaps, where experimental bats are being fabricated. No one in their right mind would start producing bats until the prototypes were tested and approved by the sanctioning body. No one will receive or buy a bat until it has the 1.21 and SSUSA seals on it. Perhaps the right question to ask is whether a bat has been submitted to the designated lab to be certified for compliance. The name of the company is irrelevant. Many would probably buy a buy from The Devil Bat Company if they thought it the best bat out there.
March 14, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats ju25, not that deep pockets. It may be that this is most prevalent with the weaker hitters who don't break them as fast as the true power hitters. More thoughts about detection. You mentioned above about a Launch which had a rod near the handle removed and 4 oz added in the barrel. This would drastically change the balance point. A sanctioning body could easily catalog the balance point when testing originally for whether to sanction a new bat. Once the balance point is known, it is simple and fast and no cost to check the balance point of a bat in question. If the balance point is different than it has been altered which can then be confirmed w/o question by opening it up. Requiring a stamps on the inside of all sanctioned bats should be required by all sanctioning agencies. One additional thought which might have a great terrorem effect (make people scared): Require any bat which becomes cracked during a tournament to be immediately confiscated and then opened up and checked. The bat is already ruined so check in with no issue of compensation for destroying a good bat. This would stop this cold in tournaments anyway. Staff????
March 14, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats Unfortunately DC there are many more than just 1 company that provides these "services". There are many that will sell you a hot rolled shaved senior bat direct from their stock of them. Sad, but true. If the sanctioning organizations were serious about safety and honesty they would pay. My guess is they would develop procedures so they were pretty sure before they opened it up. On second thought, if there were a clean way to pop the endcap and a look from the barrel was dispositive, then the only cost would be to reinstall the endcap which is not expensive, maybe $25. Of course the accused could just agree to be banned, take his bat and go home.
March 13, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats Rik, fair question. I was so naive that I never thought in my rec league guys would do that. After seeing so many guys on the internet selling juiced bats I am reconsidering. I have no knowledge of anyone using one, but there are guys who seem to generate more distance than their size, musculature and swing mechanics should generate. But no, no direct knowledge of a cheater. LOL story, last year in BP I was having a particularly good day (very rare) and I was using a USSSA Combat Virus. I was accused of using a juiced bat. Thinking back on it, the fact I was accused means the accusers have knowledge of juiced bats and may have been using them. My point is I had no idea they were so readily available delivered to your home for relatively little extra.
March 13, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats Sorry my penultimate sentence should have read: With so many providing these alteration services and with so many providers having large stocks of altered ultras, combats, a other senior bats ready for immediate delivery the only conclusion is that many are using juiced bats.
March 13, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats Some additional thoughts. 1. We all assume risks playing softball. Pitchers and infielders are at particular risk from batted balls. However, none have assumed the added risk of being hit by a ball from a juiced bat. I suggest a rule whereby whenever a player is injured by a batted ball the bat be immediately confiscated and examined by knowledgeable people who will have the right to dissemble the bat if they think it altered. If altered the batter will immediately be banned for life. If not altered and the bat ruined the batter will be compensated for the current price of that model bat. 2. If an injured player can prove he was injured by a juiced bat he should consider suit. 3. A goggling of applicable terms discloses many many people selling juiced bats. Not only do they roll, and shave, but they hot roll and will customize the weight and weight distribution. I think using juiced bats is much more widespread than discussed here. Perhaps more in non-tourney play perhaps not. We so many providing the services with so many having stock altered ultras, combats, and other senior bats ready for immediate delivery that many people must be using them. I was so naive.
March 13, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: COMBAT BANKRUPTCY Ford Credit, not Ford took a loan it repaid in full with interest. It was not given a huge some(sic). Highly unlikely either GM or Chrysler would have survived w/o help since no one except the govt. had the money necessary to keep them in business. My point is it is arguable whether the bailout was good or bad for U S taxpayers and the original unequivocal statement needed to be challenged. Let's talk SB.
March 12, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: COMBAT BANKRUPTCY I hate when politics is discussed here, but feel an obligation to respond to what I believe are false statements. softball4b said "We can argue all day long, but just from dollars and sense, there was nothing profitable to the US Taxpayers about the bailout." W/o the bailout Chrysler and GM would have been liquidated. Not only would their workers be out of work, but the cascading or multiplier effect would have been incalculable. All of the parts suppliers would have gone under, restaurants and local businesses which catered to the these companies would have failed. The massive additional unemployment could have put us into a depression. Many of us would argue that this was a very profitable deal for US Taxpayers. A thriving economy which we don't yet have but are approaching is the easiest and most painless way to lower the debt w/o cuts. The trick is to build surpluses when times are good which last occurred in the Clinton administration.
March 11, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Monsta Athletics Senior Bats Troy, as I said before, read the prior threads. You are saying nothing that hasn't been said before. The reality is there are those who pre-ordered 3 or 4 years ago who have seen neither their bat nor their money back. Because of the history I wouldn't give them a nickel until the bat is sanctioned and they hand me one as I hand them my money. And I would wait until others report back on durability and performance after receiving a sanctioned bat. These threads also discussed the use of the word "God" and the credibility and word of those behind the bat. Old story.
March 11, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Monsta Athletics Senior Bats Troy, if you search this site you will find many old threads on this subject and taits summarized them well. To me until a bat has stamps on it from the sanctioning organization performance before that means nothing.
March 10, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats garyheifner has it so right. My only quibble is don't use the word suspend. That implies there is a way back in. Cheats should be banned for life. But rules are meaningless unless enforced and I not sure those in power will enforce such a rule since it potentially is against their own financial interest.That is why garyheifner is again so right. ASA UTRIP and SSUSA must all agree that one banned by 1 association is banned by all. This will not happen because it means giving up sovereignty to the other organization to ban 1 of your guys because they banned him. Therefore, I see no way any banning protocol if in place will ever be enforced. Staff???
March 8, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Cold Weather Clarification: Bats or Balls? tattooball, your posts raise an interesting question. If one has a dark bat which absorbs heat and it is a sunny day, what temperature range would maximize performance. If a bat can get to say 165 as you suggest, is it best to let it get that hot or take it out of the sun earlier at a lower temperature.
March 8, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Talk regarding illegal bats I am an absolutist and totally agree with taits. It is illegal to break in a bat using any artificial method and shouldn't be done or tolerated. How you enforce it is a different question.
March 7, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Is It or Is'nt ! Need Advice! bullet, email sent. CG54, asking if it is a composite is irrelevant. There are many other issues which are germane to buying a bat. The problem is there are very few stores with a good selection of SB bats and particularly slow pitch bats. That is why I suggested you talk to your teammates and find out what is legal for your league and what feels right to you. Then you can price out a bat which meets your then educated criteria. Buying the cheapest "composite" will probably be a waste of $ since it will either break prematurely or not give good performance. There are 3 eminently qualified guys who post here. A call to any or all of them would help you. The 2 are Ed, Gorilla Boy (Mike Macenko) and tattooball.
March 5, 2013 HJ	Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Swing analysis After watching many videos of guys batting a SB, I noticed that virtually all long hitters have the bat touch the ground at the end of the follow through. I finally realized that to do this a right hand hitter must leave go of the bat with his right hand. My question is why is this done? I think that this method leads to a very level swing which must be necessary for the big hitters to get the backspin which makes the ball "sail" farther. Is my analysis correct or am I wrong? Is this only used by big hitters or am I oversimplifying badly? I do note that many good hitters keep both hands on the bat which leads to a more uppercut swing and they seem to hit more line drives.
March 5, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Is It or Is'nt ! Need Advice! MrCG54, You must first determine what bats are legal in the league you play in. If senior bats are permitted you will probably want one. They generally cost about 200 but can be available from about 160 and up and sometimes less. All SB bats are the same length but differ from between 26 and 30 oz. Bats are generally either balanced or end loaded which means more weight is in the barrel. First learn what you are comfortable swinging and then learn from your teammates the best legal bat for your league. Rolling a bat or shaving it are illegal.
March 5, 2013 HJ	Topic: Product review Discussion: New Miken ASA Ultra Thank you. I didn't mean the answer was obvious;I am not quite that naive. I meant it was obvious that seniors would want to know how the bat performed with the ball many of us use.
March 4, 2013 HJ	Topic: Bats Discussion: Monsta Athletics Senior Bats Navy you would have more credibility if your profile on this site identified yourself.
March 4, 2013 HJ	Topic: Product review Discussion: New Miken ASA Ultra TRi18, obvious question how did these bats do with the senior 44/375 balls?

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