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Oct. 12, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Runs

^^^^5ToolsinOhio and I played in a AAA Tournament in early summer. A team run ruled us and knocked us into losers bracket in the first round-------I don't know how many HR's they hit for walks that (after the one up rule), but it was double digits. THAT DAY they seemed like they belonged in Major?

The next day they lost a game and we played them again, and under nowhere near the same circumstances, and THEN we beat THEM to advance to championship round. Both teams struggled to get to 3HR's late in the game and then it went to the one up rule.

In the Championship Game we got killed, probably lost by 25 runs to another team that had double digit dingers for walks. It was like a merry go round-----it made me dizzy.

That same team in another tournament didn't do diddly with homers. Very nice team, but I think they are in the right place in AAA (just my opinion, overall for entire season?)

There is more to AAA and all the divisions than homers. Our team can get hot and start hitting a homer barage too--------BUT---------we have defensive issues and will go in spurts where nobody can make a play--------& we'd get destroyed in "many" major games, and some other AAA teams I see, would be in the same boat as us.

ALL BEING SAID, I'd like to see a one up rule BUT if you go over the limit and the other team has not matched you yet, then they (HR's) should be outs-------it would help speed up some play
Oct. 12, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: SSUSA ID CARD question

titanhd: thanks I understand the logic.

Card "looks good" based on dates is a no brainer, but is a 2012 expiring card good for a 2013 tournament being played in 2012????

Maybe I'm getting old, but it would be "too easy" and logical to make 2013 tournaments start after January 1st 2013, when it is 2013, not six weeks before in 2012???

I'm just throwing the question out there, and probably I'll just call SSUSA office since they aren't jumping on here, before a couple guys who are paying their own way to Phoenix (flights and hotels) get there and possibly find out they can't play.

I know, -------the next logical thing is if they can afford flights and hotels why can't they penny up $20 bucks to renew a card?????????????

I don't balance their checkbooks, I just give them uniforms and tournament entry fees. Any of you who have tried to manage 12-17 grown adults on a ball team and give them instruction know what I am talking about-------------sheeessshhhhh!!!

They'll throw a grand $$$$ into slot machines in Vegas and complain about a $20 renewal fee.

I'm also just guessing other teams have some players who also didn't plan on renewing yet, if they even need too. Hence the question.

G19 thanks for watching my back.


Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Runs

Tuscon: I've seen it in AAA----it happens. Live balls and bats on 300 fences. Guys get hot, pitcher grooving balls, wind blowing even slightly out, guys don't care and swing away because worse that can happen is, its a "walk"

Make those over the limit = outs, you won't see that many or even close.

I love SSUSA, but another association has a lot of tournaments (not all) on 325 fences----which most complexes don't have. 325 fences can equalize a lot of the long balls to equate to long outs.
Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: SSUSA ID CARD question

So what is the answer on the card?

If a guys card expires 12-31-12, and the Phoenix Winter Worlds is technically a 2013 tournament, is the card GOOD or does it need renewed before Phoenix????
Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

Going to be 3 weeks ago tomorrow since my surgery.

TONIGHT was the first night I took some swings in practice and tested the knee.

Swinging was OK-----first couple the timing was way off. Haven't touched a bat in five or six weeks. I did wear a knee stablizer!!!!!

I was disappointed trying to run in the outfield. Some tenderness there I didn't think I had from PT, riding the bike, walking daily, weight machines, stretch bands and etc. This was my first "running session" and I know I'm not ready to go to a tournament yet!!!!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE as far as the legs go.

Hitting seemed to be OK, lots of line shots and some long balls in about 25/30 swings.

Doc told me 6-8 weeks so I am starting to believe him, regardless how good the knee feels in general.

My Ohio tournament team is not going to Jacksonville in a few weeks, unfortunately, so I have plenty of time to get ready for 2013 now.
Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Runs

Doormans Quote>

"We use nuclear powered bats, we hit super balls, we have unlimited pinch runners, plus players get to hit and they dont need to play the field...ever. Obviously the game is geared for hitting HR's. Why do the homerun hitters need another advantage"?

I remember one of my first posts on this board a couple years ago was almost word for word what you wrote. I might have added the word "WHAM-O"

YES, I am a fan of the one up rule too if used correctly.

I guess for tournaments with big brackets, & time schedules to meet, & trying to get the 8:30PM game to start before 11PM-------homers in tournaments over the limit should "probably" be outs to get the game moving.

9 homers over the limit would be the equivalent of three innings of "OUTS" which would either deter teams from hitting at will, or get the games simply over quicker.


Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LV World Tournament Discussion

stick8: YES, I can block it out of my mind. I want to win every tournament, even if it's whiffle ball in my backyard.

I'm saying, and my team-mates will be first to tell you and agree, they are going to Vegas for "VEGAS", regardless of winning or losing. They (we've) won tournaments there. We've been two and out, we've been 1-4 and out. We've played all weekend and finished 2nd.

To me 2nd sucks.

In my world, my girlfriend is going to tag along to VEGAS. Not Lansing, Not Dalton, not Indiana, but YES to VEGAS. It cost more $$$$, & luckily I am fortunate to be able to afford it.

I'm guessing a big percentage of teams could care less if they lost in the tournament-----they are in VEGAS. Yes, play to win while on the field. Lose at 6PM, oh well but GREAT, they will get a shower and eat and make the 9PM show.

I've been divorced twice before, and lost lots of $$$$ because I like softball too much LOL. As you get older, sometimes I look over between innings and see girlfriend (not another wife) with head in her palm, watching another softball game.

She cheers, she boos, she's a trooper. Two years ago we played a 6:30pm game which isn't late to me and it was dark and raining. All the wives and girls left us at the field so they could go back to the casinos which was fine. We played ball, they got to enjoy VEGAS a bit until we got back.

I guess I am lucky I've had opportunity to win a lot of tournaments, tons of them, NEVER a World Title which still drives me.

Playing in VEGAS is a tough recipe. Lots of distractions unless you are there solo. Hard to go solo to Vegas because it is what it is, and girlfriends and wives want to go too.

Hard to keep the balance between ball and "vacation" and the vacation part of me doesn't want to be playing at Midnight on Saturday night---But I still want to win a WORLDS before I die, so personally I'll do whatever it takes, but BLESS those ladies who are sitting field-side at all these tournaments on weekend late nights (AND in VEGAS)!!!! and letting us play?
Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LV World Tournament Discussion

Doorman & Stick: Nothing to defend in my post.

We all love to play softball and most people on this board have probably played at some unusual times of the night (or morning) in their lives.

Everybody looks for something different in a softball tournament. Personally when I go somewhere I want to go to win a tournament.

I know the point of Doormans original post was all the delays, which led me to my post, about having delays when in a "Destination City".

HOWEVER, my point is also, you have a destination location like (VEGAS)that "probably" helped attract XXX amount of teams to (VEGAS)

Living 2000 miles away like myself, going to a tournament in (VEGAS) is a little different than some small town in another state???

VEGAS beckons bringing the better half,(wife/girlfriend (or both) LOL because, well, "IT's VEGAS"--it's a "Tourist Destination" and also is probably a bigger deal for people going thousands of miles than people who live close by to be in Vegas.

I'm actually agreeing with Doorman-------and too bad they were in losers bracket, but 14/16/17 hours of softball----------1:15Am finishes and 8AM starts is hard to swallow when at a "Tourist Destination"---(or anywhere)----and a bit ridiculous------It is what it is in a big bracket tournament though, and fighting through losers bracket at same time which is where you don't want to start a tournament.

If you are there solo (In Vegas) and sponsor is picking up your travel tab, GREAT---GO PLAY on the sponsors dollar and don't worry about game times or what you are missing in Vegas. The folks who spent extra $$$$ of their own pocket to travel there, (with wives/girlfriends) might (I'm just saying) want to enjoy the town/casino's etc as well.----------Because, well, it's VEGAS.

Guys I've play with, and who have won tournaments in Vegas, are there just as much for the vacation spot as the softball. Only 1 time in 24 years of going there from Ohio, have I had weather severly change schedules so that the vacation part could not be enjoyed (1992)rain delay after rain delay.

Sure some people reading this are saying its only about softball, and don't come to the tournament if you want to do something other than play softball-----THAT's FINE-----but I also think a lot of others would agree, you shell out lots of $$$$ to get to VEGAS and maybe don't want to spend 14/16/17 hours at the fields the whole weekend too, and probably want to see a show, or casino's, top eating establishments too?

Vegas was the lure to entice all the extra teams to Worlds. I'm guessing many players and families were in Vegas for the first time??????? "HEH where did you go for dinner Saturday Night in Vegas?"-------"Oh, I had two chili dogs at Cheyenne Park, while my husband rubbed a pound of wintercrest all over himself"---------

If the Worlds were in some small town in the middle of a cornfield, would that many teams show up, or would people worry about playing at 1:15AM with not much else to do????

Just my opinion, some of you will agree, others will beat me up.

Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Runs

I agree with G19 on this topic :)

Having played in Vegas multiple times over 24+ years, balls that go 315 in Ohio seem to go 375++++ in Vegas (same ball anyway)44/375??

Guys on one of my league teams, who uses composite bats and the same balls in league games and never hits homers in Ohio, can hit them 305++ in Vegas.

Line drives a few feet over a shortstops head sometimes go out in Vegas. They just keep going.

My point being, I think some teams can hit way more homers in Vegas than they would in other parts of the country, at least midwest and east??

The team that was clobbering HR's could be a legitimate AAA team

I personally like the walk rule after 3 HR's, & don't think you should not be penalized outs, for hitting fair balls.

BUT, another argument could be with all the teams and back-ups with game times this year, the outs could have sped some games up too????
Oct. 11, 2012
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: SSUSA ID CARD question

I am Just asking before rosters are sent in for a team I sponsor.

The Phoenix Winter Worlds is the first 2013 event next month, correct?

If a SSUSA ID Card says it expired on 12-31-2012, is it good for this 2013 tournament being played in 2012????

I'm asking before one of my players gets in trouble once he gets there. Certainly just renewing it would be too easy?

There are a few guys in same boat, trying to push them to update their card every year gets old after a while.
Oct. 10, 2012
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LV World Tournament Discussion

Although I was not at THIS Vegas Tournament, I have played in Vegas multiple times over the past 24 years even though I am from Ohio.

I love to play softball and want to win.

Part of having a tournament in Vegas is also being able to have the Vegas experience.

Doormans first post above, says his team basically missed Friday night and Saturday night in "Vegas", at least if they wanted even a little sleep? Plenty of time on Sunday if they didn't pass out.

I go to every tournament to win, and if weather is bad and games get delayed so be it. I've played in Vegas at 4AM in the past (due to rain).

Wives and Girlfriends tend to make threats when going to a destination spots and not enjoying the destination LOL, and bless them for sticking around watching softball 14/18 hours a day. My girlfriend would be "A Lil upset" spending friday night and saturday night in Vegas eating consession hot dogs for her meal LOL.

Winter Worlds when in Vegas were at least usually done by 8PM and most teams were done before dark.

That all being said-------I agree with another poster above, make it double elimination tournament and pass up the seeding games. If you go two and out, so be it. Drop the entry fee since everybody isn't playing five game guarantees.

I've seen too many senior players get hurt or beat up in seeding games, and then are physically unable to perfom when it counts in the main tournament.

I do understand "why" with so many teams you "might" need seeding games with teams from all over coming to town though, but I don't agree with it.

Double elimination ONLY, didn't deter teams from playing big tournaments 15/20/30 years ago???

I also say if you have to play two seeding games just make it a 4 game guarantee instead of five--------no reason for triple elimination for the teams who lose the first two-----that would free up fields for others and help keep the tournament moving with this many teams.

I hope to come to Vegas Worlds in 2013
Oct. 4, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

5ToolsinOhio (LOL) I made you feel guilty with my personal e-mail didn't I :(--------Thanks for Asking.

Webbie-----thanks for the advise and I enjoy your posts.

Well on Friday the 5th it will be two full weeks since surgery. I FEEL GREAT!!!! I was on crutches at work for 5 days (doc orders) ditched the crutches when he said OK, and golfed 18 holes three days after that with NO PAIN. (I did wear a knee stabilizer for "just in case") The pain and swelling subsided and started going away almost immediately after ditching the crutches.

Doc and PT folks said I can probably stop coming to PT soon. I've got another evaluation tomorrow---------All Pain associated with meniscus & broken cartliage, & cyst are all "GONE" Only slight pains are from where the scope entered the knee in three places and that it is better every day too!!!!! Minor swelling still around the incisions. Doc told me the way he shaved it, I can't damage that anymore than it already was

5Tools, if we had to play this weekend in a tournament, I'd comfortably say I'd be good to go. I'm 1000% better than I was at our end of August Tournament in Michigan & end of our league season.

Best Birthday present to myself was my surgery on my B-Day LOL
Oct. 3, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5Tools....

G19, I thought I was a good source for NE Ohio :)

5Tools plays with me, did you guys hook up??


Sept. 27, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

Big Thumbs Up from the Doc today after follow-up. Started Re-Hab (PT) on the 4th day after surgery, earlier this week.

All Swelling 95% gone, pretty good movement, Not perfect. Only pain is really where the three incisions went, and internally where he had to cauterize a cyst.

The persitent pain that was bothering me for quite some time (even before the meniscus tear) is "GONE"

Doc reiterated with me, KEEP UP WITH the Physical Therapy, (in my case twice per week) especially since I'm not 23 anymore!!
Sept. 22, 2012
17Black
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Miken is NOT taking care of the problem Ultra IIs

FYI, the new Miken's have a serial number just above the handle on the bat.

My bad bat in question had no serial number. Balls coming off the bat also did not sound like the normal crack of the bat, I was accustomed too.

I know every situation is different. I bought the "bad bat" at a store and had the receipt.

Somebody ( I think it was Corky from SSUSA) mentioned most of the bad bats (not all) apparently were shipped out to stores, and having a store receipt was important.

Although he also said Miken would test the bat once they received it. There was not a doubt in my mind my bat was not going to pass.
Sept. 22, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

Marv, thanks and sounds "encouraging"

Had my surgery yesterday. Not as smooth as yours I don't think.

Much like you, stitched up mensicus and removed broken cartliage particles and scraped away some of the arthritis build up which was all planned.

Doc also found a "prettt big cyst" lodged between the knee joints that did not show up on MRI. Doc had to remove and cauterize the cyst.

Apparently that was causing some of my knee issues before I tore the meniscus,so glad that is gone!!!!!

Wound up being in the hospital almost 8 hours start to finish.

When they wheeled me outside I felt pretty darn good, almost invinsable LOL-------but that was the morphine talking!!!!!!

Stopped for a bite to eat on the way home since I couldn't eat for 12 hours before the surgery. Still felt pretty darn good (was on crutches) and went directly home.

BUT, once the morphine :) ran out while I was watching TV on the couch last night, the pain really set in.

My Master Bedroom is upstairs, took me a while to get up, should have just stayed on the couch!!!

Hurts like a dickens this morning, I suspect mostly from the cyst issue between the joints. Cannot straighten the leg out today.

I usually take two showers a day LOL. Doc says no shower (don't get it wet) till Sunday, so I guess I'll just have to suck it up and watch college football for about 14 hours today :):):):):):):):):)
Sept. 21, 2012
17Black
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Miken is NOT taking care of the problem Ultra IIs

I also got my Miken replacement yesterday, about one week after I sent it back UPS with a return # number.

I really did not know what to expect. I swung enough differnt UII balanced and max load to know what they should be like, and the one I bought in June just was not "it".

THANK YOU MIKEN!!!!!!
Sept. 21, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

If there is such a thing as "can't wait for surgery" LOL, this is it to get rid of the pain in my leg.

On my way to the hospital now, surgery in four hours.

Marv hope you are still doing well!!!!
Sept. 16, 2012
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Bases @ 70'

I'm from Ohio, played in Vegas when Winter Worlds were there 2 of the past 3 years, and had no idea the bases were 70'???

It certainly was not noticable, at least playing in 50's???
Sept. 13, 2012
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Meniscus Surgery Recovery Time?

Marv: wishing you a speedy recovery!!!!!!

I got a physical yesterday and surgery is scheduled for Friday the 21st morning.

Doc doing the surgery said expect to be on a crutch for a day or two.

Coincidentaly, the Doc who did my physical also had this surgery done about two years ago, he is 50 and plays competitive tennis. He said the menisucus itself heals fast, but there is more pain associated (with some people, not all) where they "clean out the arthritis", which is where he had some issues for a few weeks.

He said he is now feeling really well though


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