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Dec. 9, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs

"Learn to hit the other way, hit the gaps, learn to aim"

And that's exactly what AAA teams with power do when home runs are outs. They hit fewer over-the-fence shots in 2011 than 2012 when excess homers were walks -- but they still had just as many players with the power to do it.

So even though a AAA team has the capability to hit 6+ homers per game, they stay at AAA because they're not hitting the ball over the fence due to a restrictive rule. Seems to me the rule is hiding power-hitting AAA teams rather than exposing them and forcing them up to major.

Unless, of course, they're not regularly winning games by large margins and they're not winning big tournaments attended by top AAA competition. Shouldn't those criteria be the real measure of a team's competitive level?

If a AAA team has several power hitters but several marginal players as well and they're not all that good defensively, they're not going to dominate other AAA teams regardless of the home run rule. But I'm hearing arguments that they should be a Major team solely on the basis of number of homers per game.

I'm not describing my team; Im talking about 50 & 55 AAA in general. Rarely in 2012 did my team hit a home run walk. Personally I rarely hit a ball over the fence, so it's no fun whatsoever for a player with average power when that rare dinger is an out. I don't like home runs being outs, period. (kinda obvious, eh?)

Get rid of the juiced bats, or let the players swing away and let their team's win/loss record sort out AAA from Major. If home run power and home run walks win games & national tournaments, those teams will move up.

If there are too few teams in the M & M+ divisions, then figure out a way to achieve optimal competitve balance by moving the top M teams to M+ and the top AAA teams to M. Restructure if necessary.

But the proliferation of AAA home run walks in 2012 didn't expose AAA teams that should be Major under the current structure as much as it exposed how ridiculous these bats are.
Dec. 8, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs

I'm a 55AAA player, and I don't like any of the rule changes.

The one rule I really wanted is the 1-1 pitch count, which all my park district leagues have used for decades. This is slowpitch softball, tilted heavily towards hitting (especially with senior bats). The 0-0 count gives the hitter more cushion to avoid the 2-strike pitch and wait on that fat one over the middle. Standing around waiting for the batter to swing is the least intersting part of action on the field, and is a factor in games shortened to fewer innings.

70 foot bases ... don't we run far enough playing 5+ games in a weekend? This rule doesn't particularly bother me; I'm OK with 70' bases if it's the standard at fields for all age groups, but what's driving this change for seniors ... has the ratio of foot speed to arm strength changed, or are longer bases intended to put infielders a little further out of harm's way from senior bats?

Excess AAA home runs as outs is the rule change that prompted me to start this thread (the other thread had gotten very long). Senior bats enable me to hit an occasional home run, but I've always been opposed -- partly because of increased risk of injury to players with slower reflexes; partly because it's very costly replacing these very breakable bats; and because I think these juiced bats are detrimental to our sport, tilting the balance even more to the offense.

But that's a different debate. I accept that U2's, Reebok Legends, et al are here to stay in the senior game (for the forseeable future). For the majority of players, the pleasure of hitting lasers and monster shots outweighs the other concerns.

Which brings me to the point. Why penalize hitters for usng the approved equipment as intended? AAA teams are hitting more than 3 homers per game because this capability is very common for softball players in their 50's. A typical AAA lineup of 12 hitters will have 4 who can put it out with regularity and 4 more with enough power to do it occasionally. Those 8 players combined will have about 30 at-bats per game, but they can't cut loose 9 out of 10 times. Yeah, I know, you can swing as hard as you want as long as you don't elevate that line drive, but something's wrong when you have to focus on not hitting the ball too far.

Supposedly, what's wrong is that AAA teams hitting in excess of 3 per game really should be in the Major division. But if so many AAA teams hit dingers for walks in 2012, maybe that's a measure of power with juiced bats at the AAA level rather than a measure of how many teams in AAA should really be Major. A normally strong healthy softball player in his 50's can hit the ball 300+ with a U2 but that doesn't necessarily make him a major player, and half a dozen of these players don't automatically make a team competitive at the major level. Defense and pitching still are major factors in winning games, and a team with a high on base percentage & good defense will often beat a team with a handful of sluggers. The biggest difference between AAA & Major is usually consistency throughout the lineup, with fewer marginal players.

The number of home runs per game should not be the primary guideline for assessing the competetive level of a team. SSUSA already has other more telling criteria for moving a team up to the next level -- the average margin of victory in runs per game (a measure of both offense & defense) and winning national tournaments in a highly competitive field.

Home run outs are apparently intended to frustrate strong hitters to the extent they'll want their team to move up to Major, but being consistently overmatched at tournaments is even less fun. By all means let's find the right competitive balance, but home run outs in my opinion is not the way to do it. If a team consistently wins games by hitting home run walks there is already a system for moving them up -- average margin of victory and winning national tournaments.
Nov. 26, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Pitching screen

Dan, our 50's & 55's teams both use the pitchsafe net TT linked to. Call Rick K; I think the 50's might have an extra.
Sept. 8, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hypocrisy

Good post, JGogo. With the slower reflexes & speed of senior players these bats are dangerous, and if anything they detract from the game. I see more shots over the fence in Senior ball than I ever did in 30 years of park district leagues. The balance between offense & defense has been tipped a long way towards offense.

But SSUSA wouldn't allow senior bats if the majority of players didn't want them. Hitting the ball harder & farther than when you were in your 20's & 30's has a big appeal to a lot of players even though (or perhaps because) it takes less skill to get a hit.

Money definitely plays a part in this. SSUSA and other organizations are businesses that make business decisions. We shouldn't be looking to them, we should be looking to oursleves on this issue. We should also look to our teammates who have a hard time affording all the expenses of traveling to tournaments -- PLUS shelling out cash every year for bats that break.

I use senior bats because the opposing team uses them, but I would definitely vote to ban them from our game.
Sept. 2, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Combat Ambush updates

Alan, just to be clear:
My intent is not to post "unfactual information" ... my intent is to get the facts straight. Perhaps you or Mike can talk to Corky and provide him with the facts, because he has the ear of a lot of players at tournaments.
Sept. 2, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Combat Ambush updates

Alan,
At the Northern Championships in Lansing last weekend Corky was there with his truck and a variety of bats for sale including Combats ... but no Ambush. When I asked him why not, he said the Ambush was manufactured identical to the Centenarian and that all it had was a different paint job and a very successful marketing campaign to sell it as a new product.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong here ... I'm just repeating what was told to me by an individual whom many Senior players regard as an authority on bats. If Corky is merely misinformed, there should be a way to provide him with the facts. If someone is deliberately lying, that would be an inexcusable betrayal of trust with Senior player customers.

I'm not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here; I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding that will be resolved amicably.
Aug. 23, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: gsc bat latest web site update

I sent Steve an email on July 31 asking about the bat promised to me, and have not received a reply. I bought the original white Veteran shortly after it came out, then took Gately up on his $99 offer for the 2011 GBA. I paid for that bat in September 2010 and have yet to receive that or the new Core bat Steve said would be ready in May of this year.

I've talked to Steve a few times on the phone and he sounds like a stand-up guy with a fairly detailed story about production delays caused by difficulty in hiring/keeping employees, but with so many people looking for jobs these days that story sounds a little thin.

Even thinner is the explanation that the thousands of bats he says have already been ordered are delaying the delivery of bats to everyone. Based on the skepticism of Senior players in this forum, I find it hard to believe more than a handful (if any) would place an order without seeing an actual bat first (not just pictures in a web site).

If they really are going to produce and sell bats, you'd think they would be communicating regularly with concrete details and realistic expectations. This is no way to do business.

Despite naming the venture God's Sports Company (which I find a bit presumptuous) I have strong doubts this on the level. I just can't figure out why Steve would bother keeping up the ruse for so long.
Aug. 8, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Open or Closed stance..

Some of us who grew up in Chicago playing hi-arc 16" softball move both feet after the pitch is released to get in better position relative to the location of the ball in the hitting zone. That approach was more necessary for hitting a 16" ball dropping almost straight down behind the plate than in 12", but old habits and muscle memory die hard. My stance at the beginning of the swing is pretty closed and not really different than batters who don't "run up" at the ball (as my approach has sometimes been called) but after iitially struggling to hit barely legal flat pitches at the front of the mat I learned to move my starting point forward to where my lead foot is just behind the front of the mat. I still like to start on the outside edge of the batters box and move towards the plate to hit that outside pitch to opposite field.
May 30, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Talking Trash

Anybody ever hear of a 6-tool player?

1) Hits for Average
2) Hits for Power
3) Fielding/Catches the Ball
4) Strong Arm/Accurate Throws
5) Foot Speed/Runs the Bases
6) Trash Talk/Runs his Mouth
May 28, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Talking Trash

rightrj1, it's not a matter of being "sensitive" -- it's a matter of sportsmanship, and respect for the game and those who play it. As to whether a lot of trash talk will help your team win a Senior Softball game, I doubt it. One thing's for certain though -- it will earn you and your team the reputation of being a bunch of jerks. If someone on my team started talking trash, a half dozen teammates would tell him to cut it out.

Full Monty, I don't think Gary's posts in this thread or in this forum are tantamount to "bullying." A bully is someone who uses his physical or mental strength to pick on those weaker than him. I don't know how far he can hit a softball, but the words he types here are only as strong as the validity of his arguments. On that score, I don't think he qualifies as a bully.
May 28, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Talking Trash

Saying stuff to get inside an opponent's head to put him off his game is not good-natured. Perhaps the best definition of trash-talking is the intent behind it.
May 28, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Talking Trash

Good-natured and mean-spirited are 2 different things, which is why I said let's be clear about what trash-talking is.
May 28, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Talking Trash

mad dog asked:
"is it trash talking when you back up what you say your gonna do"

Yes, trash-talking is trash-talking, regardless of whether the player can back it up. It's a reflection of character, not ability.

Let's be clear about what trash-talking is. Expressing confidence in what you can do (Larry Bird putting the ball in the hoop) is boastful, but tearing someone else down (like yelling at a weak hitter that he can't hit when he steps to the plate) is mean-spirited and poor sportsmanship.

Also, it's very doubtful that talking trash will help your team win the game; more likely it will fire up your opponent. This isn't the NBA, the NFL, or even a semi-pro baseball team like the Chicago Cubs (sorry, as a White Sox fan I couldn't help myself talk a little trash there).

This is Senior Softball. It can get very competeive, but even in the hardest-fought game between two tough teams there can be (and often is) a spirit of friendly competition and mutual respect. This is one of the things that makes competing in Senior Softball an overall satisfying experience.

If trash-talking became widespread and accepted in our sport, I think some players would walk away from it. At the very least, it would leave a bitter taste for those who outgrew that sort of immature behavior decades ago.
May 22, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Best Method for Breaking in a new composite Senior Bat ??

Let me clarify:

I was looking for input on 2 things:
(1) Best method to "break in" a Senior bat to get it game ready
(2) Best method to ensure durability of a Senior bat

I mentioned some advice I received from the Miken guy at a tourney,
but I was by no means stating that his advice was the best method.

I also mentioned some things everyone probably agrees on,
like rotating the bat during the initial hitting sessions
and not hitting cold/wet balls or using the bat a lot for BP.

This is something pertaining to everyone who uses a Senior bat,
so I thought it would be a worthwhile topic.

I talked to Alan (who may be a bit keyboard challenged)
but seems to know his stuff about composite bat technology.

His advice was to hit 25 balls (44 core, 375-400)
with about 50% - 55% effort, rotating the bat 1/5 - 1/4 turn with each swing;
hit the next 25 balls with 60% - 70% effort, rotating the bat with each swing;
hit the last 25 balls with normal game swing, rotating the bat ...
... and it should be game ready.

This method achieves both objectives:
Getting the bat game-ready and helping to enhance durability.

When a new composite bat strikes a ball, small spider-web cracks develop under the paint in the composite material. Distributing these small spiderweb cracks around the barrel up & down the sweet spot produces some "give" which opens it up for top performance. What you want to avoid is taking full hard cuts with a new bat, which produces larger localized cracks rather than the evenly distributed smaller spiderweb cracks. The bigger cracks can turn into weak spots and breaking points.

Anyway, that's how I understood it. Alan, please clarify if I didn't translate this correctly.
May 21, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Best Method for Breaking in a new composite Senior Bat ??

Just ordered a Reebok Melee EL 28oz, and I want it to last longer
than the 4 Miken U2's I broke in the last 2 years.
I also want this bat ready to perform up to its potential
at my next Senior tourney in 5 weeks.

I'm looking for the best method to break in this bat
... without having it break on me after a couple hundred hits.

The last time I bought a Miken off the truck at a tourney,
the Miken guy advised rotating the bat while hitting it
at the top & bottom of the sweet spot with another bat or a rubber mallet.
Also stepping in the handle to increase the flex

In batting practice I don't hit wet or cold balls, or in cold weather
and I rotate the bat with each swing (1/8 turn)

Once the bat loosens up and gets that broken-in pop, it's used only during games.

What other and/or better methods are there for breaking in a Senior bat,
and getting the most durability out of it ??

Does the type of ball used for batting practice (aside from not being cold/wet)
make much difference in terms of risking breakage ??

I broke my last Miken during BP before the first game in Milwaukee this weekend.
It was warm, dry, and the bat had maybe 100 hits on it.
May 1, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Brickyard Tourney

Question for SSUSA Staff:
It is noted on the schedule that
"Schedule Subject to Change at Discretion of Tournament and Field Directors"

Is it possible that our first game on Saturday (noon, 55AAA division) will be unexpectedly moved to an earlier time slot?

Some of our players will be driving down from Chicago Saturday morning and might be late for that first game if it's moved up without advance notice.
April 18, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Any work from you "buyers" on the Veteran Core Bat

Last response I got from Steve[smckinlay@gmail.com] was Feb 5 this year when he said the Veteran Core should be ready by May. Since then I've sent him 3 more emails asking for updates and posted twice in this forum in a Veteran Core thread he posted in, but nothing since Feb 5 ... and YES, I paid $99 for a bat in Sept 2010 and so far I'm still swinging in the breeze.
April 18, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: LTB 26el or 27bal yellow senior combat

Ain't no "maybe" about it.

And here's another thing for certain:
Batsunlimited won't get my business in the future.
April 18, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: LTB 26el or 27bal yellow senior combat

Batsunlimited continues to advertise the yellow bats even though they don't have any, and haven't for awhile. Several days after placing my order I got an email telling me to call their 800 number about my order. When their salesman gets you on the phone he'll try to sell you a new Worth Launch 510. I told him I wasn't interested in any other bat, and got my PayPal account refunded. I asked him why they're still advertising the yellow Combats for sale (you can add it to your cart and transact the purchase!) when they didn't have any to sell, and he said he didn't know why.
April 3, 2012
ChiPrimeMarty
Topic: Bats
Discussion: GSC Bats

I'd just like some reassurance that after paying for a bat in September 2010 -- and not receiving a bat yet -- Steve will honor that sale and send me a new Veteran Core (or whatever the product will be named). I'd also like a reasonable expectation of when that will happen, as I am down to 1 senior bat after breaking 3 in the last 2 years and I have 2 tournaments in May.

The fact that I haven't gotten a response on my least 2 emails (simple queries, not nastygrams) is decidedly NOT reassuring.
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