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Gary Sommers

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Shaker Heights, OH

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Men's 50

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Nov. 3, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

"Gary-you don't even play"

Keep on lying.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

If the product is that good you don't have 3 or 4 team brackets in a HUGE percentage of the tournaments. You don't have to combine age groups and classifcations frequently. But you know that.

If the product is that good you don't need to take it to Vegas to attract teams to what should be your premier event. But I am sure you know that too.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

cal, so you are saying that everyone thinks all change is good? I know that is not the case. I just pointed out a bunch of things that have changed that we both agreed aren't so good.

They should not be able to convince anyone of anything, but sadly there seems to be enough guys willing to follow along. Just think PT Barnum.

Fine Fabe, I can go along with it being big for the "Softball Community". That is fine. That just isn't what you first posted.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

I was thinking of the poor kids now who are growing up in "families" with which I am not familiar.

My point was, no not all change is a good thing. Even if some private organization is trying to convince you it is.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Depends on your definition, I suppose. Certainly it works well for the association.

Me, I kind of like the past. I kind of liked growing up with friends who all were still living with both of their parents, and they all had the same last name. I liked having a mother who was home when I came home from school, and I didn't have to go to day maintenance. I liked having a father who I knew, and he was there when I went to bed at night and woke up in the morning.

I kind of like records where every other word didn't have to get beeped to be played on the radio. I liked $0.35/gallon gasoline...:)

And I liked having to earn the right to participate in special tournaments, and not just buy my way in.

But maybe that is all just me.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Fabe, I am sure your locals do recognize it. But going as far as mentioning the entire state was just a bit much.

No Cal, not really. If the draw is big enough, teams will attend. Like I have been saying, at least a half-dozen times, perhaps closer to 10, ASA Worlds were played in Parma, Ohio in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Everyone who qualified, yes you actually had to earn the right to participate, were more than happy to come back for the chance and win. How many guys on here have heard of Parma, yet ALL the big boys came. And even some smaller boys who just wanted the chance.

It was not held to make money, or draw wives to a vacation attraction, it was held as a meaningful sporting event and that was good enough for everyone.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Want to know the real level of interest in the softball, and not the location? Play it in Helena.

So you think there should be multiple Super Bowls throughout the year?
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Fabe, how many Hawaiians even know about your team, or the tournament? That last part might have been just a weeeeee bit over the top. This wasn't Jesse Owens winning in Berlin.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Great, then that should be it. No further need for these other "world" or "national" tournaments that are no different than any other tournament held throughout the year. Those are all just open tournaments that anyone with cash can come to.

How many Super Bowls are held each year? Final Fours? World Series?
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Profit is fine, but there used to be some purity to sports. Again, I must just be getting old. Traditional values just don't seem to fit in a lot of places anymore.

And in this case the profit motive has severely changed, and in many ways hurt, the game.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Bottom line, it is an open tournament, just like any other.

And the first three games are essentially exhibitions, those can be played a lot closer to home for a LOT less money.

Sure, large tournaments and many games are good things. But to make the one tournament a year that should be small and selective the poster child for "look how great our participation is" doesn't make much sense.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Simple. That to act like that many teams are actually that interested in playing for the "prestige" of winning this "world" tournament is just a fallacy. See how many of those teams would be interested in competing for such an "honor" if they were only promised 2 games, and weren't getting to bring the wives to a place like Vegas.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

I know I am getting old, but I miss the days when municipalities ran tournaments simply as part of their Recreation program. No profit motive involved.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Yes, it could. Hell, so could the tournament in Barberton, or at Berliner. After all, anyone in the world is allowed to come play.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

cal, that is probably true but that only happens after the spiffy name is attached, well that and the possibility of winning the right to BUY your own ring.

Put the tourney in Dubuque as strictly a double elimination and see if 500 teams show up.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: SportsmanShop

Bob, he might but he was a world-class athlete in a number of sports. Here, we are just talking about slow-pitch guys.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

I think we all know that you don't have to qualify in the traditional sense to play in a National, or Worlds. You just have to have the willingness and ability to pay.

Some of us lament that dumbing-down of the sport, but I guess it is what it has been allowed to become.

So if these tournaments are open-entry, just like all other tournaments throughout the year, what if anything makes them special? Or significant? Just because someone slaps a spiffy label on them?
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Probably. Softball seems to have very low standards these days. Much more of a business than it was when we were young.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

cal, winning the Super Bowl is pretty prestigious, and there are only two teams in it. Reason being everyone had a shot, but only the best earn their way in.

No earning in senior softball, just paying.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Senior softball summit

Oops, I meant many states had no representation.

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