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Discussion: Promoting Tournaments

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March 25, 2013
Allan55
79 posts
Promoting Tournaments
Staff,

How early do you post the teams that are going to participate in the tournaments? My opinion is as soon as a team signs up, it should be listed. The early listings could work at promoting larger tournaments. I know teams like to know rather than assume.
March 26, 2013
Larry S
37 posts
Allan55 you hit the nail on the head!!
March 26, 2013
angus73
Men's 50
97 posts
it could very well could work in the other direction as well.
March 26, 2013
rick#8
14 posts
More likely the later,teams see who's there, don't want to play them, less teams, not more.
March 26, 2013
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
392 posts
I can't imagine making a decision on the basis of not wanting to play a team. It might be a bit of work for Staff to track though.
March 26, 2013
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
guys...i cant imagine any team not wanting to go to a tournament because they didnt want to play a certain team. if our manager and sponsor say we have the #s, then we go play....play allthe tournaments you can.
March 26, 2013
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
I have experienced teams not going to tournaments because a certain team was entered first-hand. We signed up early for a tournament a few years ago and when some other teams - who had already entered - found out, they dropped out and we had no one to play. I've also been to tournaments (qualifiers) where teams would rather forfeit than play us. It is not fun to (a) not get to play games because teams simply do not want to play you and (b) teams just dropping out because a particular team has entered. This experience was at the Major Plus level.
March 27, 2013
Fred S
Men's 80
83 posts
I remember 8 or 9 yrs ago when playing in the 70 Div that teams wouldn't go to a tournament if Mitchell Const. was entered. They were a power house at the time. We played them once (before the 5 run rule) and it was I believe 32-0 by the 3rd inning. Just about every hit was off or near the fences.
March 27, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
My point of view on it. I have played seen & or been on teams that loose on purpose to get into losers bracket because of who entered knowing they could still win from that loss. They did too. But you never know.
Known teams that entered not knowing who was coming yet bailed out because of only a couple of teams in bracket making it only a 'bragging rights win' not a real win with a 5-6 team division to play against.
Ever hear someone say they won the event but only played 1 or maybe 2 teams of equal age & ratings?
Also seen them leave because of who was also in the same division. This I do not understand but the low turnout, I do.
Posting is usually around a week AFTER the cut off date for entry.
Personally I like to see who is coming as well but the secrecy seems to work for them but also causes harm as I see it. Its cheaper to bail out and loose fee cost than making the trip and only playing maybe 1-2 other teams of your age and rating making it a not so great event even it you win. Sure you might "EARN" ha, ha, a ring in that, and they do, but is it really a win of stature or worthiness?
Assn's don't really have the time to post the teams entered as they do it, but it could be better. This is why I like the threads about who is going to certain ones. More posts like that I think would help many on the fence to decide.
March 27, 2013
Omar Khayyam
989 posts
Maybe a compromise would be for the association to post a running total of how many teams have entered in each classification, not the names. This would certainly encourage a team to join in if there were already 5 or 6 teams in their division (or more) and wouldn't scare off teams if a powerhouse were entered, although I admit I don't understand the mentality that would cancel out of a tournament because of the possibility of playing a great team. You might have a slim chance of winning, but think of the joy if you did beat the super team! And how do you improve, or even measure yourself, if you always run from those battles.
March 27, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Omar,
I think it at least gives an idea how many will be there but the breakdown for placement could be totally different when done. Some look for team names thus the threads on who is going to x for this age rating.
Look at the last one mixed brackets, thin brackets.
You just never know even up to that day it starts. Even then it has changed.
too many are in a comfort zone not wanting to play up as it were but hope to play down for an easier win as it were.
How's the arm?
March 27, 2013
Ho
229 posts
Some tournaments do list the teams entered and up date the list daily as teams enter and drop check www.theebuckeyeclassic.com
March 27, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
My experience has been year to date you won't find that here* or in ncssa (CA). Back East it may be different. Maybe the light will shine through though, you never know.

* you will find 'invited teams' as with the TOC, but that is not entered.
March 27, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
433 posts
We have been doing this for over a year and a half. www.socalssa.com Several teams have given us their schedules so we can post them in the RSVP listing under each tournament. It allows all the teams to see who is coming so they know who they may be paired with. We have an RSVP list that goes out past September. One thing it does is cut down on those "who's coming? " phone calls
March 27, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Marv,
You guys do do a good job at it also.
My only 'question' is the color scheme you have in the schedules with no "KEY" for it.
March 27, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
433 posts
Scott Im not understanding you about the color scheme on schedules and the definition no "key". Schedules are always linked to a pdf. The lettering that creates the link and its color is determined by your browser settings. For example if I write "schedule" then link it then I give it a blue color you may not see it as blue. My browser uses orange for the links I view. I hope that is what you mean? The only schedule link up on the home page right now is the schedule for the French Valley Senior Softball League which starts tomorrow night. Originally I think it was yellow.
March 27, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Will email you.
March 28, 2013
TGIII
Men's 60
90 posts
I agree with the message board that it is great to know the teams that are signed up ahead of the deadline. Since I'm involved with the SSUSA Top Gun Tournaments, I try to keep a running total of the teams signed up as historically the tournaments have filled up before the deadline. I usually e-mail those teams and managers that have previously signed up for a Top Gun Tournament or have contactd me to add them to the invitation list. I also update our interest list of teams in the California, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah areas to send invitations to them to join us in SoCal. It is easier to communicate with teams when you are dealing with a qualifying tournament. With the Major Tournaments, there are many last minute changes and it would be problematic to try and post a complete list of teams in real time prior to the deadline. Having managed a team in the past, our teams travel because of the tournament and competition. We have never shyed away from a tournament because of the teams entered. I will agree that it is less desiable to travel out of town and play in a bracket with one or two other teams.
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