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Discussion: players playing down

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Sept. 8, 2006
red from Wylie tx.
Men's 60
48 posts
players playing down
I have another question, when can a player play down?? Not during the season but example: a player can no longer play at a Major level or just does not want to play. I think he should be able to move down, one player does not make a team Major. The Loboz play AAA and they have at least 1 guy who was Major or Major Plus and he is allowed to play in SPA. I think all groups need to share a web site for rosters thats an easy cross referance and most groups have lap tops so you could handle any questions real quick. Label each play Major AAA etc, that way you can set teams early in the year dicide how many of X players it take to make a team Major AAA etc. That way AA teams don't have to go to 3 or 4 tourneys and get the heck kicked out of them to show you they are AA. We want to play but we played only 2 AA teams in 4 tournament until the nationals. In Mustang Oklahoma there were several AA teams but we ended up playing Texas Legends/Major K.C. Fire Major, And the kicker was Fire was put in the silver division.
Sept. 9, 2006
Bluestem
5 posts
Hello Red: It may be in your interest to take a look at the thread entitled SPA Plano 65 AA, which involves a 70's major player playing down and the absence of rule enforcement. If everyone is being honest, the player and managers did not think they were breaking any rules. It is always fun to play softball, but it is less fun to go to a tournament and find teams that are at that category in name only and who have little competition. The Summit should re-consider this rule that prohibits playing down or identify a process that addresses the problem. The players and local leagues may have to get involved and required to confirm the quality of the teams and their players in order to make sure that "loading-up" and "sandbagging" are prevented.
Sept. 11, 2006
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
playing down seems to be the thing this year.notice a AA team with major and AAA players on it in seattle for the 55's.i know b/c i've played against them in the major div.
Sept. 11, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
It's amazing how that particular team is allowed to "steal" 1st place in major tournaments. The sanctioning bodies just do not seem to care as long as the money is paid it seems that's all the integrity they need.
Sept. 11, 2006
Change up fan
7 posts
I AGREE WITH YOU WYLIE, EVEN 2 OR 3 MAJOR PLAYERS DON'T MAKE A GOOD TEAM AND RARELY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN A TEAM AT ALL. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE IT TO MAJOR + DIV. DOESN'T MAKE YOU SUPERMAN!! GET OVER IT (TO THE CRY BABY POST I READ EARLIER). IT TAKES 15 MAJOR + GUYS TO MAKE A COMPETITIVE TEAM BECAUSE MOST OF THEM CANNOT PLAY DEFENSE!!!!!!! WHICH TO ME IS 3/4 OF THE GAME!!! EVERY TIME A "HOMER" GUY GOES TO BAT, STASTICALLY, HE MAKES 4 OUTS OUT OF 6 AT BATS AND 2 HOME RUNS, IF HE'S LUCKY, USUALLY WITH NO RUNNERS ON. THEY NEGLECT TO PLAY THE "SMALL BALL". (MORE RUNS IN MY OPINION) TOO MUCH TESTOSTARONE? EVERYONE WANTS TO BE "BAMBAM"THERE!! OH, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THE "CRY BABIES" WHO ARE USUALLY THE PLAYERS NOBODY WANTS! MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME PRACTICING YOUR "D" AND SWINGIN THE BAT? IT HAS TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE :O) GOOD LUCK!
Sept. 12, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
You're right CUF one or two bangers will not change the outcome in the long haul. The HR's will seldom out play
good situational hitting coupled with a well played defense. Any player on defense has the opportunity when he is on to change the outcome of the game completely and when you get 8 or 9 out of ten on fire with the leather it's a beautiful thing. What's being talked about here is a team (any team) that stacks 5, 6, or 7 guys in their starting line up that are rated one or two levels above the the rest of the teams in that bracket, players not present earlier in the year. At this point that team should rightly be playing a level higher. This is what has been noticed and what the associations should be disqualifying teams for. Unfortunately it seems like it as been a banner year for that type of cheating. We talk about altered bats but altered line ups have a much bigger influence in the fairness of the level(s) of competition. Not sure why anyone would want to play against anyone else but their peers. There's no other way you find out how good you are and test yourself.
Sept. 16, 2006
SlowLearner
13 posts
It would appear Mad Dog and Pete D think once a player has been on a higher div. team they must only play at that level even if their skills don't fit. Maybe there should have watched the AA games, especially on the 285 foot fenced fields and counted the homer runs, and also noticed the scores of the team that won this time, 1 run games. Also, maybe they should look at some of the other tournaments this team played in SSUSA and SPA. Sometimes a team jells at the right time.
Sept. 21, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
No slowlearner, there are a many players that play a couple of levels as time goes by and no one is saying that once playing at a certain higher level should "lock" a player in.
What is being discussed here is a team and player(s) that are stacked with qualified upper level players but playing at the AA level for the purpose of getting their rings. I live on the west coast, I believe that Maddog lives in eastern Texas and has noticed the same team and players involved as have other major teams and players mentioned it during these tournaments.There are no doubt many teams that jell at the right time and they are to be congratulated for the time and effort made and deserve every success they have earned, however, the team/topic of these posts does not seem to reflect that integrity and nobody seems to be able to have a way to control it. Maybe if we all had one card that would work for all associations the card numbers could somehow then be tracked on a nationwide level to identify and classify. Don't know what the answer will end up being. Either is should be fair or wide open. Right now it looks like it's tilted toward wide open and if a team wants to cheat they can.
Sept. 21, 2006
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
slow, i watch a few games also,the reason they won by 1 run is the fact they were the home team.if they had been the visitor they would've run up some runs in their open inning.on the hrs two teams i saw were getting way more than the 1 allowed(yes the others are DBO) so you will tell me they belong at AA b/c they just jelled.hhhmmmmm
pete i'm sorry i missed you up in seattle.
Sept. 22, 2006
observer
7 posts
test
Sept. 22, 2006
observer
7 posts
Did anyone see the championship game in the 55AA in Seatle? It was injurys and errors that caused the outcome and not the supermen that everyone thought this team had. In the semi-final game, second place team was ahead big. Then a pop up behind the pitcher is missed and then 2 balls to the outfield were misplayed and the1st place team wins. In the championship game 2nd place team's 2nd baseman get injured. THE LADY MGR takes his place and bats for the injured 2nd baseman. In the last inning the game was tied, and the 2nd place team scored the go ahead run and there was an appeal and the ump called the runner out for not touching 3rd base. Then the first place team scores winning run in the bottom of the inning. As for these supposed supermen, they are lucky if they batted .400. Of the top three teams, the 3rd place team had the power hitters but had spotty defense. The 2nd place team was cruising throught the tournament until the last 2 games. I guess it is easier to bash a team then to give them credit! I know, I watched the whole tourney!
Sept. 23, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
That's interesting and what happened in that game happened, however, what is more interesting was comments today during league play in our area (this league is almost exclusively tournament players). This thread and team was being discussed and some of the major players commented that now that Seattle is over 3 of this teams players were rejoining their regular team (Major) and another 3 were rejoining their regular team (AAA). That would explain why major players were watching this team late in the season and wondering what fellow major players were doing playing AA; and would also explain the change in personel of this team from the earlier part of the year. If that is true then this team should be disqualified from the AA tournaments they won with the stacked line up but that would never happen as this association (SSSUA) does not care.

By the way observer you have 3 posts, 2 of which are testing to see if your posts under this name would go through. You don't have a division or region listed either. Where you from?
Sept. 25, 2006
observer
7 posts
THAT STORY HOLDS NO WATER SINCE THAT STATE ONLY HAS 1 55 AAA MAJOR TEAM AND THES TWO TEAMS ALWAYS PLAY THE SAME TOURNIES.CHECK PAST TOURNEYS AND YOU WOULD SEE THAT.THRE ARE NO OTHER AAA OR MAJOR TEAMS IN THAT STATE ONLY 2
Sept. 25, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Yeah, it makes sense now. They are probably playing different levels in diffterent associations playing down when they can get away with it. That would explain where the other guys had played against them and watched them play this year. With SSSUA essentially over with they can go back to their other rankings. That stuff needs to be regulated in fairness to all.
Sept. 25, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Yeah, it makes sense now. They are probably playing different levels in diffterent associations playing down when they can get away with it. That would explain where the other guys had played against them and watched them play this year. With SSSUA essentially over with they can go back to their other rankings. That stuff needs to be regulated in fairness to all.
Sept. 25, 2006
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Apologies - don't know how it printed twice. Didn't see any carbon paper!
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