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Discussion: Preferred tournament wants, Short replies, please.

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April 29, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Preferred tournament wants, Short replies, please.
Am looking for SHORT suggestions or desires as it were as to what you as a player want in tournaments. Please reply to only the items below, more may come later.
Any other suggestions please email me on them. @ tait_ebay@yahoo.com

1. Entry fee Cost, qualifier or major one. Please list one for each.
2. # of games guar, ie 3,4,5.
3. 2 day event or 3.
4. pick one type: single elim, round robin, double elim, trip elim.
5, senior bats or another.
6. ball <52\300, 40\400 or 44\375>
7. base lines 65 or 70 if you answer, please give you rating and age or likely won't be considered.
8. Mixed brackets or not.
9.List prizes, for Qualifier†& major events. one each.

Trying to compile info from players who travel to see what interests them for consideration.

Thank you.
April 29, 2013
ShaneV
Men's 55
380 posts
1. Happy to pay around $300 for a local qualifier. As
a tournament director I know what the costs are and how
much effort. For Reno, NW, Western and Worlds $500-$695
may seem high but the multi-venue, multi-director,
multi-UIC and travel expenses warrant these fees. SSUSA
calculates what they can spend and what they can charge
as carefully as I do and they know how sensitive teams
and players are about cost.
2. I prefer 5GG. Success through 5-6 games can be a
challenge, in the "other" half of the bracket it really
gets tough, but hey, your cost per game can really drop!
I consider pool play a valuable warm-up and a chance to
scout teams and assess your own players. Seeding seldom
really matters.
3. I like 3-day events with 5GG in a fun location like
Reno or Vegas. I've run 5GG one-day, it's like a
Sunday losers bracket scramble, tests your endurance.
4. Rec Event - Round Robin. Championship Event -
3 Pool and Double or 2 Pool and 3GG Bracket.
5. Senior Bats.
6. 44-375
7. 70
8. Always mix to create the opportunity to play 5 teams.
9. Give a certificate or plaque for those with sponsors,
individual shirts/jackets/bags and mvp to 1st players,
plaque and 3 allstar shirts 2nd & 3rd.
April 29, 2013
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
382 posts
1) $300.
2) 5- GG
3) 3
4) 3 RR - 2 X KO
5) Senior bats
6) 44 x 375 [Vegas ball]
7) 70'
8) Not
9) New car :) ...or Qualifier = t-shirts Major event = ring
April 29, 2013
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
406 posts
1. $300-350 for good qualifier. Entry fee is a small % of the total cost (housing, travel, etc.) It's significance gets blown out of proportion.
2. 5 GG
3. 2 days if it can be done without night games, or unless there is a big enough bracket to justify more games (you've spent the money to get there, you may as well play as many as possible).
4. Round Robin
5. Senior bats
6. 44/375
7. 70 ft (play 65AAA, moving to 70's next year)
8. No mixed brackets
9. Qualifer: Team trophy to winner
Major events: Team trophy for top three teams; plaques or jackets for winning team
members
April 29, 2013
KennethH
10 posts
1. 300 to 350.00
2. 4-GG
3. 2 days unless more than 8 teams
4. Dbl Elim
5. Senior bats or another
6. 44/375
7. 70 ft
8. no mixed bracket
9. Plaque, nice bag,shirts or warm-up pull over, an something for MVP
April 29, 2013
Gavin5
1 posts
1. Entry Fee not as important as below items
2. 5 or more game guarantee
3. Two day max if only 5 games (hotel cost)
4. RR or double elimination--depends on number of teams
5. Are you kidding? Senior bats definitely
6. 44/375
7. Like 65 over 70' bases, but this is done deal at 70' now in SSUSA, right? (I'm in 65 Div)
8. Mixed only if too few teams in your division.
9. Prizes not too important
April 29, 2013
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
Wow, taits, talk about a comprehensive questionnaire:

1. $300; $350 qualifier; $400 major. Tournaments more than $500 are wasted money in my teamís thinking. Even with umpires and field rental, a TD can make money on a full tournament at $300. We reluctantly travel to tournaments that cost more than $500 (because of our low expectation of an expensive prize)
2. 5 game guarantee for a weekend
3. 2 day event preferred, unless during week when 3 days can work. Single day events are too tough on old teams like ours, and no doubt 3 day tournaments cost a lot more in housing, meals, and transportation.
4. round robin, except for qualifier/major, then double elimination. Pool play is a good way to get acclimated and warmed up, but seldom much help on seeding due to the very prevalent sandbagging. Would rather have the TD mix to enable us to play a variety of teams, not strict seeding. In one Reno tournament, we played one team in seeding, played again in brackets, went to losers and played them again! Boring. Only lasted 5 games that year and only played 3 teams. Would love a round robin over three days with 8 teams!
5. single wall aluminum. Almost everyone has one and it sorts out the true hitters and sluggers and brings infielders back into the game.
6. doesnít matter 44/375 is O.K. if the bat is not as hot
7. 65, major, 70+
8. mixed brackets only if necessary, and hopefully for seeding only.
9. prizes are not important to me or most of my team. A shirt is fine for regular tournament, a qualifier might justify a jacket, a bat bag for major. Plaque for a sponsor if there is one.
April 30, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Omar,
What I did not take into consideration on fees and associated cost here the possible need for additional park\fields and the ensuing extra cost for that and more that comes with it. INS is another you players do not think about as well.

These are the types of replies needed guys. Keep it up. And I thank you for them.

Only venue I'm aware of that have 70' base lines are in Vegas. Probably 53' mound distance, but am not sure. I see the up side as well as the down side to the differences.
April 30, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
1. $300-350 for good qualifier. Entry fee is a small % of the total cost (housing, travel, etc.) It's significance gets blown out of proportion.
2. 5 GG
3. 2 days if it can be done without night games, or unless there is a big enough bracket to justify more games (you've spent the money to get there, you may as well play as many as possible).
4. Round Robin
5. Senior bats
6. 44/375
7. 70 ft or 65 (50 Major)
8. No mixed brackets
9. Qualifer: Team trophy to winner
Major events: Team trophy for top three teams; plaques or jackets for winning team
members

Basically, ditto Texas Transplant!
April 30, 2013
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
1. Entry Fee $300 - $335
2. 5 guarantee if 4 or more teams
3. Two day max if only 5 games (hotel cost)
4. Double elimination--Round Robin with 6 teams are fun
as you get to play everyone
5. Senior bats only
6. 44/375
7. 70' , played 70' this past weekend in Tulsa.
team is 70 AAA
8. Mixed only if too few teams in your division.
9. Prizes like jackets are nice.
April 30, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Been over 200 views to this but only 8 who took the time to post. WHY?
Are they not so concerned about having a say on what they play with or issues we all talk about?
There are roughly 130 who post fairly regularly, where are you?
If by chance you can't post here but still do play senior events email be your replies I will post them un altered ( within reason) like these all are. My addy is there.
April 30, 2013
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
1. Entry fee Cost qualifier 300 major 450
2. 5
3. 2 day event
4. double elim
5. senior bats
6. ball 44\375>
7. Age 60 don't care
8. Mixed brackets in qualified OK
9. List prizes Qualifier-T Shirts, Major-Better Shirts, Worlds-Rings
April 30, 2013
softball2
Men's 65
2 posts
I agree with all the parameters listed by ShaneV. Thanks
April 30, 2013
JBTexas
Men's 60
248 posts
1. entry fee $300
2.3 Game minumum
3.2 day local 3 day major torunaments
4.2 seeding games triple elim.
5.senior bats
6.44/375
7.70 ft. play both 60 and 65, have had more hamstrings thisyear then in past
8.mixed in seeding not in DE games
9.team trophy-winning team individuals something from local area,unique
April 30, 2013
SALSAKID49
Men's 55
101 posts
1)$300 Fees
2)5-GG
3)2 day events
4)double ELIM bracket
5)Senior bats
6)X-ROCK 44 x 375 ball
7)70'
8)no mix brackets
9)give out new Sr. bats for each Div. winners...
May 1, 2013
MartyM
Men's 65
9 posts
1. Entry fee Cost qualifier 300-350 major 400-500
2. 5GG
3. 2 or 3
4. double elim
5. senior bats
6. ball 44\375>
7. 50,55,60-70', 65 & up 65' (Age 68 AAA)
8. Mixed only if too few teams in your division.
9. List prizes Team: Placqe 1st, 2nd(for sponsor) Players: Qualifier-T Shirts, Major-Better Shirts, Worlds-Rings
May 1, 2013
coop3636
57 posts
1. 200-qualifier... 400 Nationals
2. 5 GG
3. 2 day
4. (2 RR) then 3 game wrap around
5. Senior bats
6. 44/375
7. 70'
8. mixed brackets in RR
9. Sponsor plaques 1-3
Top team.. Nice Golf shirts /or nice travel bags
11 All tourney team.. shirts /plaques
May 2, 2013
tattooball
602 posts
All of these suggestions would lose money.
There are to many divisions to give awards out to for 1. Second 5 game guarantee the umps alone would be 150+, then field rental and insurance costs would eat up the rest of the money. Who would pay for all of the other exspenses?
May 3, 2013
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
406 posts
tattooball,

It would be interesting to see a detailed analysis of the costs involved: field rental, insurance, umpires, balls, other supplies, publicity, sanction fees, profits, etc. I'm sure there are costs involved that most of us aren't aware off.

It would seem to me that, as in most enterprises, there would be fixed costs involved that could be amortized over more teams at larger tournaments.

I hear a lot of complaints about tournament entry fees. My experience, playing for an unsponsored team, is that my share of the entry fee is a relatively small part of my total cost of attending an out-of-town tournament.

For the recent qualifier in Tulsa, the entry fee was $350. Split 13 ways, that came to $27/player. I spent about $90 for gas, $96 for two nights in the hotel (a real bargain), and about $60 for food for the wife and me. My total cost was about $273, so my share of the entry fee was about 10% of my cost. $10 one way of the other wouldn't have altered my decision to attend.
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