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Discussion: Western National Championships

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Aug. 4, 2013
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Western National Championships
We played in the 65 division in the Western Nationals and concluded on Thursday. To date, I have seen neither seeding nor bracket results while the Eastern Championships which were played at the exact same time have FINAL results posted! Is Dave in NC? I know he was not in Sacramento. Is that the difference ?
Aug. 4, 2013
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1039 posts
That's the difference ... Flying out of Raleigh at 6:30 AM PDT and back in Sacramento office by 2:00 or so ... Will see what I can do tomorrow other than dealing with jet lag ...
Aug. 4, 2013
JamesLG
297 posts

If anybody who played or was at this event could fill us in on results we do appreciate it.

Thank You:

James
Aug. 4, 2013
JT9
Men's 55
33 posts
4 day event 127 teams 5 venues ages 8-18 scores were poated no later than 1 hour after the conclusion of the games. Might be a software issue but again, I believe it to be a priority issue.
Aug. 4, 2013
Jerry820
Men's 60
19 posts
Well here is the 60'S AAA facts. Bay Supporters won the if game against Over The Edge by a score 14-12. Ote had to beat them twice to win it all and just ran out of gas if the if game. Aro Glass took third place. Congratulation to Bay Supporters on winning the Western Nationals and a Class Act team. Hope to see you guys again in Las Vegas at the Worlds.

Jerry Smith
OTE #5
Aug. 4, 2013
Stretch14
Men's 50
185 posts
I'm still looking for results for the Jim Sherman tournament June 18.
Aug. 4, 2013
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
in the day of laptop and cpu u would think it was faster
Aug. 4, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
James LG.. as far as Western Nationals goes.. I believe

MTC 55+ won
Arizona elite won the 50 Major+
North Cal Warriors won 50 Major
and that's all I know so far.
Aug. 4, 2013
michael697
Men's 50
3 posts
Sonoma Crush won 50 AAA
Aug. 5, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
nice comeback for Sonoma Crush....
Aug. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1956 posts
60 M+- the Old Dawgs rallied back to double dip Joe Browns and win it. Congratulations to them-they played very tough "D" and hit well in tough hitting environment-soft balls and a breeze mostly blowing in from right. Very few HR's and very low scoring games. I hope your right fielder is alright after crashing into the same section of fence 3 times-great effort there. You should get that section and put it into your trophy case! LOL Timberworks also played hard-just coming up short in several games. It was a pleasure playing you guys! See you in Vegas.

Mark Weber
Joe Browns
Aug. 5, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
Mark, and there are those that want to dumb those balls down more.. go figure!
Aug. 5, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
44-375 90 degrees or hotter = crap....use the 52 ball in that heat and would of seen hrs hit....so please tell me how much more stupid you can be.......
Aug. 5, 2013
softball4b
Men's 60
722 posts
Kudos to the Dawgs. Played very well as a team. Curtis pitched and fielded a great Sunday. Look forward to seeing everyone in Vegas.
Aug. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1956 posts
Curtis-I was remiss in mentioning the tremendous job you did up the middle also-it was game changing.
Aug. 5, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
so curtis your still pitching...great guy and pitcher there guys....we used to do battle a lot in our younger days when i lived in sacto....way to go old dawgs.......
Aug. 5, 2013
Jeffery
7 posts
Who finished 2nd and 3rd in the 50 major division in Sacramento?
Aug. 5, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
second was Oregon Flatliners
3rd was East Bay Oldies
Aug. 5, 2013
Rightrj
Men's 50
56 posts
Swing (Rich) Now that you're the Cal-Cup & Western Nationals 2013 Champs... Should we welcome the Nor Cal Warriors to SSUSA's Major + Division?.....If you don't get moved up for Vegas after winning 2 tournaments, then SSUSA should move us (Rated Athletics) back to 50 Majors!!! I know it won't happen because of how flawed SSUSA's system is when it comes to ratings (i.E. George) So please enjoy your winnings & I hope you guys get to win the triple Crown for your great 2013 season!
Aug. 5, 2013
Rightrj
Men's 50
56 posts
Congrats to AZ Elite on winning the 50 Major + division...You guys sure have our #!(Rated Athletics) We'll try you again in Vegas, if we decide to play....It's always a pleasure to compete against you guys & that little Shit Chuckie is one hell of a pitcher....MTC you guys are to be congratulated also....It a hard thing to beat ANY team 3 time in the same tournament...Good Job!! I did however Almost throw a NO HITTER SHUT OUT against you guys in the 1st games, but had to settle for the 2 hitter....lol
Aug. 5, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
Hey Rj, thanks! I think we still need to get that beer... I hear they base it on how many HRs you hit.. so if that's the case we don't hit that many.. mostly timely hitting and great D is how we win... so who knows.. we will cross that bridge when we get to it.. Nice almost No hitter you threw... I give Right field an E on that last one.. Good job!
Aug. 5, 2013
Captain Marauder
Men's 65
67 posts
Masters Marauders from BC Canada won the 65 Major division beating PONCHO,S 12----11 in the final. Daryl Wolf pitched 5 of the games and held down the hard hitting Poncho,s team from Arizona. PAUL Donato drove in the winning run in the bottom of the 7th inning
Aug. 5, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
congrats captain on your win....will be looking for you in st george....
Aug. 6, 2013
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Anyone have any results from the 70's?
Aug. 6, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4315 posts
If I read a email I got & remember correctly, but no longer still have it to check, it was the Raptors for 1st place and Triple Play in 2nd.
Aug. 6, 2013
Tim Millette
478 posts
Swing, if they base it on home runs....you guys probably hit more home runs then us last weekend...... Does that mean we can switch places:-)

I think? We averaged a little less then 3 HRs per game...

Congrats on the Title.

Aug. 6, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
Thanks tim, we didn't hit that many. Maybe we hit 15 in 7 games. Like you guys we weren't. Hitting that well!
Aug. 6, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
We'll see what we can do to get the Western Nationals back to the Denver (Aurora) area again next year to the excellent 12 field complex where it was last year. We heard nothing like I see here about the fields. They are some of the best grass fields in the country! To SS USA it's "make a buck". To the teams, they want a well run tournament and great fields. Appears you only got one out of two in Sacramento.

I hope SS USA staff reads this thread! It's not always about the dollars. I tried to impress this fact on the staff last year but it was all about who put the most dollars up for this year.

I realize there are more teams in California but you had 104 teams and almost 4 out of 5 were from California, more than even attended the California Cup by at least 20 to 25 teams. No teams east of Colorado attended this year. How does that make this a true Western Nationals?



Aug. 6, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
I posted this under the wrong thread. It should have gone under the "Western Nationals Observations" but the point is the same.
Aug. 6, 2013
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
Congrats to Top Gun in winning the 60 Major. Enviro-Vac had to beat them twice in the finals and managed one of two. Lost the IF game by a run. Lot of low scoring games this weekend and tired legs from running hard and to far for balls that died in the grass.

Top-Gun deserved the win and are a very good team with a bunch of classy players.

JimmieK
Aug. 6, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
Hey Brock, a lot of the Tourneys have fancy names, but who can actually call any of them True in the wording. There are a lot of good to great teams not making trips across country primarily because of $$$$$! I'm in CA, so why would we spend 2k to travel to Florida or Colorado when we can play in our Backyard... Look at SPA, it's not around in Northern CA this year. Not to many teams from northern CA playing that sanction.... it's all about the $$$$ for most! Closest thing we will get to an actual National championship will be SSUSA in Vegas! IMO
Aug. 6, 2013
Allan55
79 posts
Brock,
You are correct regarding the number of teams in the the Western National. When the tournament was in Col. last year, it drew 89 teams (far more than Washington with 51 two years ago). Fifteen teams more generates over $8,000 more. You are correct when it involves money. It could also be argued that the tournament this year was stronger, due to more teams entered. However, I would rather see the tournament in Aurora than Washington. I hate to mention it, but Washington was a mistake.

The SSUSA also thought highly of the fields in Aurora. That is why Aurora was given a tournament. It will be interesting to see how many teams show up.
Aug. 7, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1956 posts
Brock-I will be there in Aurora with a 50 M team from Albuquerque, but after pulling a hamstring in Sacramento in the first game, I will only be doing enough to qualify with them for Vegas. I do agree, though, that when a Mike Adair hits a rocket single and it stops before it gets to the outfielder, that the grass is way to thick.
Swing-our Joe Browns team averaged 2 home runs a game and our two top hitters got 4 each. Definitely not a hitting environment, for sure.
Kudos, though, for the way it was run. Smooth-great job.
Aug. 7, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
Swing, I don't disagree with you. I know CA has way more teams than any other state and you can basically play somewhere close every weekend but with 89 teams last year we had teams from Minnesota and Missouri to Texas, all the West Coast states and states in between. That's what I meant about a "true" Western Nationals. It's supposed to include everyone from the Mississippi River west. Just as you say you're not going to spend the money to go to Colorado or Florida, most teams very far east aren't going to spend the money to attend in CA. This year is a good example. Five teams from Colorado and none from states south, north or east of Colorado. Our Scrap Iron teams have no choice but to travel if they want to play in very many tournaments.

Anyway, as I've said to Terry H several times, when they have the Western Nationals in CA, it looks like another California Cup. Yes, it's financially advantageous for SS USA to have it there but it's not reflective of a cross section of teams west of the Mississippi.

Denver(Aurora) is about as centrally located for the Western Nationals as anywhere west of the Mississippi and as others have said, we used a great 12 field complex where nobody, to my knowledge, complained about the fields. That's why I said what I did. You had a well run tournament but people like to play on well maintained fields also. Remember the chatter last year after the Worlds in Vegas. Some of the fields were terrible. People didn't like that. Will there be bad fields again this year. You bet there will be. Will people complain again? I think you know the answer.

I want to thank all the teams that are coming to Aurora in about ten days. You won't be disappointed in the fields and I'm sure SS USA will do their usual great job in running it.
Aug. 7, 2013
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Brock, how did the Scrap Iron teams do in Sacramento?
Aug. 7, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
Curveball, like others, I'm still waiting for the results to be posted. Dave Dowell must be the only person they have that can do this. He needs an assistant so he can catch up!

I think the Colorado Rcckies 55 AA team got second and our 70s major team did bad but I'm not sure how bad. Not sure about the other three.
Aug. 7, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
981 posts
Brock, I would love to play in Aurora! I have heard nothing but good things about the fields there... to Date the nicest complex I've played at is in Reno at Golden Eagle in Sparks and I've had others tell me about Aurora being right up there.. We will have to make it out there one of these years for one of our travel Tourneys!
Aug. 8, 2013
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Allan55, the tournament detail for Aurora shows only 41 teams signed up for the Rocky Mountain Championships. Deadline for entries was August 2.
Out Texas Makulis team played in the Western Nationals in Aurora last year and my wife and I really enjoyed the complex and the Aurora area! For us, it was a "drive" tournament, so expenses were not too bad.
I just got back from playing in the Western Nationals in Sacramento this year with Omen from California. Although there were 104 teams, as was stated above, most were from California (71 by my count). Not one Texas team was on the list. We played at the Sacramento Softball Complex and the fields were below par - all needed to be mowed and some were sopping wet from too much watering from the sprinkler system. Otherwise, the fields were well-maintained between games.
I would certainly support moving the Western Nationals back to Aurora.
Aug. 8, 2013
LeeLee
86 posts
Supporting the move to CO, is simple just write SSUSA a check for about $8000.00. So they can recoup the profits that they can earn. SSUSA is a business and it is designed to make money, you do realize the revunes that they earn from other areas besides entry fee. Hotel lodging and a few others areas. I can honestly say I have never once played in a tournament where somebody didn't complain about something.
Aug. 9, 2013
Allan55
79 posts
LeeLee,
You have nailed it. If Aurora threw a sizable check to offset fewer tourney entrants, that would be helpful. However, I feel it might be time to move it to Reno next year. I think that would move the tourney to an attractive venue. Drawing over 200 teams to Rock'n Reno this year was fantastic. I know teams would love the playing conditions at Golden Eagle. I know some would say that is not moving the tournament far enough East. However, the last time the Western National was in Salt Lake City, Utah, it only drew 63 teams. That ended up slightly better than Washington...which wasn't saying much.
Aug. 9, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
Hey All, I'm very aware of the process. I worked on getting the Western Nationals to Denver for three years before it happened. I know what their requirements are. When we did land the Western Nationals, Terry was figuring on 50 teams and I was hoping for 100. We had 89. The requirements they have for the Rocky Mountain Championships are less than for the Western Nationals which is the first leg of the Triple Crown. Being a new tournament this year, Terry was figuring about 50 teams for the RM Championships for the first year. For several reasons that I won't enumerate here but Terry knows, I was not that optimistic. We hope to grow it from here because it will be played at the same great complex. Reno and Aurora are different in that the Aurora fields are grass but anyone who has played there would tell you the grass is like a carpet. Unless Terry is willing to accept less for the Western Nationals in the future it probably won't get played there again because the Visit Aurora Tourism Board hasn't found any new money and the Scrap Iron Club doesn't feel we can continue to throw money in the pot to make it happen on a regular basis.

As I've said before, I think teams want two things when they play tournaments. They want good fields and a well run tournament. Last year you got both in Aurora. This year it appears you got one of the two. As long as money means more to SS USA than well maintained fields, we will find out with time what is really important to teams. That's why we hope to grow the RM Championships in future years. Denver is relatively easy to get to and flights are reasonable in comparison. We hope teams attending this year have a good experience so the word spreads.

I'm actually playing with Rusty's in Arizona this year so I'm sure I'll see some of you at the Worlds in Vegas. Because of the Master Collision 60s team I played with the last several years plus a 65 Scrap Iron major team that folded for lack of players, I had a major plus tag and there was no Scrap Iron team at the 65 level above AAA. Then Master Collision folded before they were moved back to major but I had already committed to Rusty's for this year. That's another issue that has been hashed over on this message board a number of times. I'm not going there.
Aug. 9, 2013
paul0784
Men's 60
122 posts
Anyone know who won the Western Nationals 55AAA division?
Aug. 9, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
701 posts
I heard from someone that Get-R-Done won the 55AAA?? Did not hear from anyone on their team yet. If so, congrats to your team Tommy!!
Aug. 9, 2013
jrd231
17 posts
Lincoln Hills Coyote 65's won the AA division
Aug. 10, 2013
TOMAR77
Men's 55
193 posts
Duke, that would be correct ! Git-R-Done 55 was able to claim the Championship :O) It was a pretty tight Tourney any of the Teams could have won. The Ball was Dead, due to heat & humidity. We were able to adjust our game, (no HR's out of the park), and played outstanding Defense. Our Defense in the end made the difference.1st AAA win for us ! So feeling good. Thanks.
Tomar
Aug. 11, 2013
jrd231
17 posts
For those interested, all the scores have been posted.
Aug. 12, 2013
paul0784
Men's 60
122 posts
All except the 55s
Aug. 15, 2013
Parman
11 posts
Aurora is a great complex. 12 wonderful fields. Don't let the 325' fences scare anybody. It's like playing on a 300' fence with the altitude. Our 55 major team played last year and had a great time but unfortunately we could not get enough to make the trip this year. Brock you are so right $$$$ talk and California has more clout than Denver.
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