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Discussion: It\'s Time For Our SSUSA Msg. Board To Achieve Full Identification Disclosure!

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Oct. 2, 2006
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
It's Time For Our SSUSA Msg. Board To Achieve Full Identification Disclosure!
Bashbro1 attempts to write song lyrics to make his point!

What's your name, is it Mary or is it Sue (a boy named Sue?)… what's your name, do I stand a chance ever with a hitter like you; it's so hard to find a personality with wit and charms like yours for ooohhwee ooohhwee ooohhwee what is your freaking’ name?

I’ll be standing in the parking lot just a waiting for you to come along so my heart could feel satisfied, so please let me be your number one under the moon under stars and under the sun.....

2nd verse same as the First!

My name is Bashbro1 (aka Art Eversole (60’s Play), a member of the Senior Softball Bomb squad for 2007; playing ball out of Kent, WA; Statistician/Webmaster for the Seattle’s Men’s Puget Sound Senior Softball Association of Tukwila, WA)
Oct. 2, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
NO WAY ! Here's why. I have personally had someone from this board send an e-mail to my personal e-mail address calling me out for disagreeing with something they had posted on this message board. Conversations on this board should be kept on this board. There is absolutely no good reason that I should have to disclose any personal info unless I want to.

There are too many whackos in this world with very short fuses.

Privacy should be my choice.
Oct. 2, 2006
BillyMac
Men's 55
91 posts
Although I do agree that people should be held accountable for what they say in a public forum, my experience has been that the message boards which require identity disclosure seem to dry up rapidly. This is a very lively board, and i would hate to see it wither, JMHO
peace
Hit To WIN!!!!
B Mac
Oct. 2, 2006
the wood
1085 posts
it seems to me that SSWC is offering us this opportunity to speak our minds on subjects of our own choosing. We have many viable issues to address (such as 3 v. 4 day events) but we get caught up on needless tangents.
Personally speaking, I'd like to know who it is that makes a comment, particularly if they are critical of someone or of an idea. However, we have freedom of speech as well as the right to privacy.
If certain people do not wish to divulge their name or indentity we should not get hung up on this. Let's stay with the point/subject matter as there is potential good to be done.
I do like to know who it is I'm engaging but, in this media, it can't be mandatory. Suffice to say though that I will give more credence to those people that have given their name. But I see no real value in verbally bashing those who do not.
Bob Woodroof
Oct. 2, 2006
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I'm with you Bob but one has to weigh an accountable member verses an unaccountable one.
I don't care or want to care about
what any anonymous person
who has the opportunity to make himself known
has to say
to me about anything anytime, anywhere any place.
There's just no weight to that form of communication.
I believe in accountability and feel its fundamental
to any serious discussion and don't want to waste my time reacting to some lightweight who doesn't really mean what they're saying.
I will contact Fran this week regarding this
and maybe there's some way to work it all out.
Oct. 2, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Einstein, that's just very shallow thinking on your part. How can you say that don't care about what an unidentified, unattributed, or anonymous person has to say. Or, that the person saying it is not serious or is a lightweight.

Let me give you just 1 of hundreds of unattributed quotes:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Prosperity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I'm sure you recognize this as the preamble to the Constitution. No one knows the author however I am sure you would agree that this is a very serious and "heavyweight" thought.

It's not accountability or someones identity that lends credence to the words. It's simply the words themself.

Embrace the good ones, ignore the bad.

Anyway, conversations about softball are lightweight in the scheme of things unless you have nothing else going on in your life.

Best regards.

Oct. 2, 2006
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
I agree with “Hit the Gap”,
It’s the ideas that are important! Someone who is interested to know the identity of the writer usually wants that info so he can discredit the PERSON because he can’t win a debate on the ideas. I can’t for the life of me know why it is so important to some to know who it is that is disagreeing with them. Argue your point not the person.

I agree with “Hit the Gap” and I have no idea who he is nor do I care. If I knew him in real life and didn’t like him would that/ should that change my opinion on his ideas?

I know Einstein in real life and I like him. Does that mean I should agree with him on this issue?

I think it’s a joke when someone’s first question on a post they disagree with is “who are you?” It means they don’t want to debate the post/idea.

If “Hit the Gap” signed his real name I probably wouldn’t know him anyway so how is this information important. Its not. It’s only important to those who can’t defend their positions.

Mango
Dave Meggison – for those ministers of information that feel its important to know these things.


Oct. 3, 2006
JTS2
Men's 55
88 posts
I agree with Einstein on full name disclosure on message boards. People are brave and say things they wouldn't say if they were identified. There is a big problem in society chat rooms where unidentifed people do some weird things. If chat rooms required ID's we wouldn't have as much weird behavior as there is. This chat room is part of senior softball and when we play we are all identifed by our names in the lineup. It should be no different here.
Oct. 3, 2006
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
HTG and Mango,
You guys simply miss the point.
Accountability, that is showing up and standing up for who you are and what you believe is fundamental to positive
communal growth and development.
I'm sorry you guys don't get it or maybe
don't want to.
Freedom or in this case,
free speech without personal responsibility
is frivolous and reckless at best and licentious in the worst cases.

Would the Declaration of Independence meant anything at all without the founding fathers signing it and why did
John Hancock sign his name so large?

Also, look at how crowds or masses of people who are not accountable personally for their behavior can
perform monstrous and inhuman acts of disrespect
and humiliation, hence the name,
mob mentality.
I don't want to go on philosophically or pyschologically
because that's not where this argument lives and breathes.

It's a simple matter, ruled by common sense
about personal responsibility in any society
that we teach our children about
starting in kindergarten.
Oct. 3, 2006
sjuhoops
123 posts
play 60 maj + would like 2 games fri vs maj + start double on sat. i think quality over quantity at this point
jmho
sjuhoops
Oct. 3, 2006
sjuhoops
123 posts
sorry wrong post
sjuhoops
Oct. 3, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Einstein. With all due respect, I think I get the point very clearly. The point is that this is a softball chat board. Underhand slowpitch. We are not discussing world shaping events here. No discussions about war, global warming, kiddy porn or the like.

Nothing discussed on this board has the importance you would like to attribute to it.

If this board continues to dominated by this type of conversation, I for one will not be wasting any more time on here.

Everyone on this board has an undying love for the game.

Let's all lighten up and enjoy the conversation for what it is. Softball chatter.

Let's all have a great day.
Oct. 3, 2006
Lefty
Men's 65
477 posts
i'm with einstein. If you have no name who cares what you have to say.
Oct. 3, 2006
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
Einstein,
I have to agree with you, I don’t get it. So maybe you can enlighten me with an example. I’m open-minded. Lefty just posted that he agrees with Einstein. He says, “If you have no name who cares what you have to say.” He offered his opinion. He said how he felt about this topic.

So now what am I suppose to do? Look up his email address? Find out where he lives? What team he plays for? To what end? So someone can confront him at a tournament for not agreeing with him? Please explain how me knowing who lefty is would change anything. Lefty -feel free to chime in on this too

Mango

On a different note – are you going to be good for Louisiana? I heard you got hurt this weekend.
Oct. 3, 2006
leftyodoul
Men's 60
99 posts
I can see both sides of this issue. I have been monitoring the USSSA Washington website for the last few years. There seems to be a lot of bitching and accusations. A lot of those comments are made by individuals who are reluctant to take responsibility for their comments. They hide behind their alias. Maybe, if they had to actually take responsibilityfor what they say, they wouldn't be so outragious and irresponsible. On the other hand, I understand the mindset that others feel they should be able to express their views without the possibility of retribution. Just the same, I value the input of those who will pen their name to their comments (whether I agree with them or not) much more than those that hide behind an alias.
Oct. 3, 2006
leftyodoul
Men's 60
99 posts
After my comments, I guess I should give my name!
Steve Bailey
Oct. 4, 2006
the wood
1085 posts
Mango, I didn't need you to state your name as I already knew this to be your nickname but others are surely glad that did. Because i knew that is was you authored your previous blog (before you gave your name), I gave it credibility since i respect your opinion. To me, there really is more clout when I know who's saying it (JMO). I also understand that some folks just don't want to do so and that is their privilege.
You went on to say that someone might personally confront another simply because they disagree with their written opinion (and happen to know their identity). Do you really believe this? There have been a lot of things said, denied, re-stated, rebuked, etc. on this board. But aren't we all grown men (& women)?
Having stated this, I am a proponent of freedom of choice and sincerely hope we all can choose to move forward toward a meaningful subject matter. One that might benefit all or most of us.
Oct. 5, 2006
Change up fan
7 posts
WOW!!! I thought this was a Senior SOFTBALL message board. Sounds more like a "Reveal your identity or you ARE NOT credible" ... Well says WHO?? Looks to me like einstein is bored with the subject of Softball? How about "My space" einstein? They'll tell you MORE than you need to know there! You are putting WAY too much effort into this little identity exposure subject! BORING! You remind me of Mrs. Cravitz (the NOSEY neighbor from "Bewitched". Who cares who everyone is?? Mango is right, we are going to still disagree with your contributions to this board (or agree) weather we know you or you know us in real life. This is not a dating site, the personals don't matter, just the opinions do! Weather we agree or not. An opinion is JUST THAT .... an opinion. I hope you get over this and move on to softball subjects. h and "hit the gap, thanks for the Constitution refresher, I still remember it too. Now Ladies & Gentlemen, CAN WE GET BACk TO SOFTBALL? Thanx & I'm out!
Oct. 5, 2006
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
I think the reason people feel a need for accountability is the rash of name-calling and trash talking we have to put up with. We have guys saying they are going to kick the other guy’s ass and calling them idiots. A good example is this guy “einsteins” and his adolescent attempt to make fun of Einstein. This is supposed to be a forum for SENIOR SOFTBALL, and if someone wants to disagree they should do it with a level of maturity. I have often disagreed with some of the things that have been said on this board but when I responded I tried to do it with respect for the other guy. Do you think this guy would hijack this board for his own fun if we had the chance to know who it is?

By the way, Hit the Gap, how did the guy get your email address?
Oct. 5, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Hi Ken. I mistakenly posted it on this board when responding to a bats for sale message. I wanted the seller to be able to reach me directly. It must have been noted by this person for future reference. So, be very careful about what information you make public. Again, that's one reason I am a strong proponent of anonimity.

As far as the name calling and trash talking, I agree that it is very juvenille. It is also very easy for me to ignore.

As the message in the upper right corner or the home page says:
ABOUT THIS MESSAGE BOARD
This message board is provided as a means for senior softball players and prospective players to communicate with each other, offer ideas and constructive suggestions for improving our organization and sport. It is not a forum for any of the following:
Inappropriate language

I would add to that, constant bashing of someone that does not agree with your ideas, comments etc.
Oct. 5, 2006
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Mango,

It's a function of propriety.
Acting in kind.
If we're playing, then let's play.
It we're working, let's work.
If were having an important discussion,
let's be respectful and serious.
You don't have to agree but to be respected
you have to give respect.

I'm want to emulate more Malcolm X than Martin Luther King.
To paraphrase one of the great men of the 20th Century
and my favorite, Malcolm X,
I will love and respect those who love and respect me
but I won't to those who don't.
That's my stance, basically in life.

I want my posture on this board
to be positive and assertive regarding
any/all of the issues we are facing and some of them
like illegal bats, are VERY important.
I think Platooning is a fabulous idea
can help all of us
and have heard nothing that dissuades me from it.

I think it's easy to tell when someone is trying to say something
that is serious and important and no matter what the forum
human beings need to respond in kind and not recklessly, disrespectfully
insensitively or uncaringly.

Common sense.

Mango, I got hurt in Vegas and doubt
i'll make it to Louisiana.






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