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Discussion: Handicap System

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Dec. 20, 2013
JamesLG
303 posts
Handicap System


One topic that rarely gets talked about that I believe is broken is when a upper division team plays a lower team. Why should the upper team give runs, an extra fielder and play by the lower division HR rule? It is like giving the lower team a perfect offensive inning using "zero" of their HR's plus the other two benefits. Taking all three and coming up on top at the end of a game is a cheap win. If the lower team (say AAA) team wants a major team to play their HR rule the AAA team should play by the AA HR rule. I suggest if the lower team takes the runs the game should be played by the upper team HR rule.

Thank You:

James
Dec. 21, 2013
Allan55
80 posts
JamesLG,
You have voiced what a number of people have mentioned. I also think giving runs, reducing HR's, and spotting an extra player is too much. Most recently, TD's have been allowing teams to choose having an extra player or taking runs and using the lower ranked teams' HR rule. I feel the lower ranked team should have the option of taking runs or an extra fielder. However, each team should play by their own HR rules.
Dec. 21, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Allan,
You honestly think if you are getting to hit SAY 6-8 hr's per game but I get 10 Hr's is competitive and or even equal? PER your last sentence???
The choice for runs given OR 11 man field I have seen quite a bit, but a couple times both were given, but it happens with really lopsided brackets that should not be allowed.
Dec. 21, 2013
Allan55
80 posts
Taits,
My first question would be...how many handicaps should a team be given? Another question would be...is reducing the homerun rule for a higher ranked team a handicap? If a major team is playing a major + team, the major team can take runs or the 11th man and open up the offense, while the plus team loses a third of their homeruns. It is easier to free swing rather than change swings. In case you missed some of the stats at the 50 major World, many of the teams were averaging the major + homerun rule of nine or slightly less. However, there were other major teams averaging double digits. So I can compromise...allow the lower ranked teams their choice of runs, an 11th man, or their homerun rule (one of the three). I wonder which choice they would take?
Dec. 22, 2013
titanhd
Men's 50
334 posts
I have always thought that this issue has been over-complicated.
When Plus plays-Major or Major plays a AAA team, simply play by the lower rated rules- no extra fielder no runs to the lower rated team. Just play the game with less homeruns to hit.
Dec. 22, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Answering a question with a question , gee. but
I think you should have wrote this before. I knew this was coming.
Equalizing, is not perfect, let alone close at times, and I agree work needs to be done.
Most usually only get the runs or the 11th man, usually for age or ratings differences. but I have seen both given and imo if age and ratings differences are involved perhaps both should be depending on which team is higher or older without spending time writing it out.
I didn't read the under 60's brackets info this year. Know many players that went though.
I see where your coming from but there is also lower ranked playing older guys keep flip flopping the combinations there and then it get really messy.
That is one reason I'm against MIXED brackets and that is what is done. It all looks good on paper but reality is it is not is a money maker to fill and make it seem better that it is when the games start.
But they have to do it for many reason rather that giving the option to return the fees and play brackets shorter. Return of fees or credit won't happen.
You know the score and how it is and will be... you have choices also.
If your a manager I believe you can view other teams, maybe all of you should TALK
MORE and go where brackets will be filled with like brackets ie; age - ratings.
just a thought.
Merry Christmas have a great, safe and healthy New Year too.
Dec. 23, 2013
donll
58 posts
James you make some excellent points that are not often discussed. Not only are you giving the lower team a perfect offensive inning without using any home runs but it is actually an EXTRA perfect offensive inning. Since the lower team can score 6 runs an inning and the upper team only 5.

I would suggest the runs come to the lower team any time they don't score their 5, but they can only score 5 an inning. So say in the first inning the lower team only scores 1 they are immediately gifted 4 of their 5 extra runs. Then in the second if they score 3 runs they are gifted their 1 remaining extra run.
Dec. 23, 2013
JamesLG
303 posts


I don't believe a team should ever be required to give runs plus play by the lower team HR rules. The lower team has the choice so they can decide from their own team strengths.

Thanks:

James
Dec. 23, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I'd prefer to play straight up w\ 10 man teams but with the mixed brackets they have the majority I feel of the time amongst ages especially, something had to equal it out...
After all, they all 'need' teams right.
Dec. 23, 2013
ODDBALL
3 posts
I hope you guys find this as amusing as we did. Two years ago our team was required to give the other team an eleventh man on defense and they were required to give us 5 runs. The TD swore that was the way it was written in the rule book. Does that make sense?
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