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Discussion: Shaved Bats

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Dec. 29, 2013
Capt Kirk
408 posts
Shaved Bats
How many teams have that one special bat(shaved), and is only used when cheating will benefit the outcome of the game? Can a shaved bat be detected?
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Capt
Dec. 29, 2013
hemi racer
Men's 65
81 posts
BOY!, don't think you are going to get any one to admit to that. Most guys that DO use them I would think they keep it to their self. Team Bat? Too many that know the team has one. Loose lips sink ships.
Dec. 29, 2013
Perl
105 posts
Capt

Detecting a shaved bat can be difficult, especially if the bat doctor is an expert.

Compression test is an indicator but not a definite. A new bat may test at 250 or higher. A broken in or shaved bat may test under 200. I believe the current standards for U-trip is 210.

Some things to look for

Look at the end cap, sometimes you can tell they have been removed. I'm suspicious when I see a messed up end cap

A lot of guys like to put additional endload in when they shave their bats. If you know a bat, say the original Ultra, is balanced but it feels endloaded this could indicate an altered bat

Some guys say they can tell by the way a bat sounds at impact.

Bat weight can be an indicator. If the bats a 28oz but weighs 26oz or 30oz somethings fishy

Sometimes they take the medal rod out of the handle out to compensate for the fiber that's been removed so not to affect the balance point

Look forward to seeing others input on this
Dec. 29, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
999 posts
Ha, let me get this straight... you expect the cheaters to rat themselves out.... Good one! ;-)
Dec. 29, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
beam me up scotty........
Dec. 29, 2013
garyheifner
360 posts
As I posted sometime back, heard two guys talking during the prelims and one asked if the other was going to bring out the "special" bat? The guy said no, not until championship bracket play.

Another possible indicator is the opponents are killing the ball, they have several dozen bats lined up in the dug out and 6 or 7 batters in a row are using the same bat????????

I still think that a player caught with an altered bat should get a life time ban. Don't agree the manager should get suspended also. Since most teams are made up from a large area, he has no control over what an individual player does away from a tournament.

For those of you who haven't hit an altered bat: I was playing in a early morning pick up league. Didn't want to use my tournament bat. Asked a guy if I could borrow his U2.

1st at bat hit it out. 2nd at bat 1 hopped the wall. I am no longer a HR hitter. When I said to him later, wow that bat is hot, he said well it is special. Altered bats change the game.

I do wonder when a player shows his championship ring to his grand children, won using an altered bat, is he really proud of himself? And, what if it came out later that grandpa was a cheater??????!!!!!



Dec. 29, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
440 posts
This is just more of the same in the discussion of senior bats and why some are adamant about not changing the bats and balls to make the combination less explosive. For my part as a rec player I don't care as long as what I do and others I play with do, is legal.
I don't think there are enough who are serious about keeping it legal.
If a lifetime expulsion were in effect, and strictly enforced, perhaps there would be significantly less cheating with doctored bats. Until there are lifetime expulsions which are publicized, the rest is just lip service and B.S,
Based on the ease of buying doctored senior bats online, there must be widespread use of them. Companies would not stock them unless there was demand.
Dec. 29, 2013
Adiktiv6
Men's 50
66 posts
Why would anyone want to shave a Senior bat? If you can't hit the ball with a Senior bat right out of the wrapper, you can't hit the ball, period.

I agree with the Life Time Ban!! And you should have to have a picture of you posted on the website so we know who to laugh at for having to have a shaved Senior bat!
Dec. 29, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
HJ when i wonder thru ebay and find one of these a-holes that advertise to shave/roll bats,i'll turn them into ebay for illegal products....not sure if anything gets done or not,but at least i do something.......
Dec. 29, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
713 posts
Mad dog, The advertisements that I have seen for shaved bats have had disclaimers and/or warnings to use as exhibition only, i.e., home run derby contests. The reality is that players use them. Unfortunately, I know of 2 teams and many players using shaved bats. On teams that I have coached/managed, I try to make sure no one has a shaved bat, especially, with that ridiculous rule that the manager would get suspended for one year. Not my job nor could I monitor all this for players that may sub in for a tournament during the year. This goes with the above mentioned disclaimer from sellers, we only have so much control over the situation. Do I know players using shaved bats? Sad but true, I do! I even asked a player that I kind of knew when I was walking into a complex, why he has 6 Ultra II's. His repsonse was that 4 of his bats were shaved and they break after 50-60 swings. The fact that he openly said that to me, shows that there is no shame or pride with these guys. I replied what about the guys you call your friends. His response was that he has to keep up with his competition. My opinion is that more than 90% of the players play the game with integrity. Personally, I will not knowingly allow a player on my team that uses a shaved bat.

Andy Smith,
R & R Strokers
Dec. 29, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
713 posts
BTW, In tournaments, if I know an opposing batter is using a shaved bat, I will intentionally walk him, when it will not have an adverse effect on my team. In leagues, I will walk that player every time, regardless of the situation. Our morning leagues play for no prizes and keep no standings, AND, the players on every team range in age from 55 to 78, so there should be no cheaters, but there are a few. Can you imagine a strong 55 player using a shaved bat against a 78 year old? I just do not understand this kind of thinking.

Andy Smith,
R & R Strokers
Dec. 29, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
duke i turn them in anyways as it is construed as a copyright infringement by the mfg'ers....shaving the bat and keeping it to look like a stock bat on the outside,is the infringement they say......

as for the pitching thing,i do the same and actually will tell them why i'm doing it,loud enough for the other players around to hear....let them explain why they are using a dirty bat.......
Dec. 29, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
713 posts
Mad dog, "as for the pitching thing,i do the same and actually will tell them why i'm doing it,loud enough for the other players around to hear....let them explain why they are using a dirty bat......." Ditto for me too!! One player in league finally got the message and started using a legal bat. Another player did not get it, so every pitcher in the league walked him every time, and he does not play any more in our league.

Andy Smith,
R & R Strokers
Dec. 29, 2013
AcePV
Men's 60
22 posts
I've heard that during a tournament, if a player is injured enough to have to leave the game after being hit by a batted ball, the umpire is supposed to immediately confiscate the bat for testing? Is that true? If so, and the bat is found to be altered then I think a lawsuit would be quick to follow.
Dec. 30, 2013
rdrman66
7 posts
Guys, you need to understand something. A senior bat is as fragile as an egg. If someone altered a senior bat it wouldn't last 25 swings. Do you really believe it's being done other then an occasional fool? The bats cost a lot of money and the overwhelming majority of people aren't throwing money away at this level for a bat that can already hit a ball 350 feet. Worry about other things, this really isn't a issue for senior bats.
Dec. 30, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
999 posts
rdman66.. it's not guys that can hit the ball 400 feet that are shaving, as you said the bat would last minimal swings.... it's the guys with minimal pop that would shave these bats or the guy with so much ego he would buy as many bats as it takes to go through a season of shaved bats.... My thoughts were at least the rest of us swing something that is hot enough not to feel like you would in a U trip tourney swinging legal bats against the cheats with altered bats...IMO
Dec. 30, 2013
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
rdrman66, I loved your term "occasional fool", and as Swing pointed out, it isn't the sluggers who shave. At the older level, 65 and above, there are lots of players who can hit the ball 270, 280 with a composite, but now in the newer parks, fences are back to 300, 310, even 325, so I can imagine someone would be tempted to shave even a senior bat to be able to clear the fence. Sad to contemplate. I don't think I have ever seen someone swing an altered composite bat, but I can believe that some will try.
Dec. 31, 2013
southernson
259 posts
rdrman66,
" Worry about other things, this really isn't a issue for senior bats".

I'm not sure what happy planet you are on, but Stevie Wonder is definitely driving the bus. I can assure you that bat shaving in seniors is routinely done at all levels of teams we have faced.

I think you would be significantly surprised....
Dec. 31, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
440 posts
Omar, You actually nailed the problem- you can't be sure when it happens and don't want to accuse if not sure. I have enough issues to worry about w/o trying to figure out who is using an illegal bat when
I am in the field. I just know that it appears some guys are hitting much further than there physique and swing would seem to warrant.
I am thinking about umping in my league which uses volunteer umps to be closer to the action w/o playing. The league does not seem to want to get involved and thankfully no one has been seriously injured by a batted ball recently. I think southernson is right on. I am surprised that tournament players aren't more angry and strident on this issue.
Dec. 31, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
440 posts
sorry there should have been their
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