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Jan. 11, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Bat swing, analyzing it
check out: http://www.zepp.com/baseball/

For those who worry about it or are curious.
Jan. 11, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
Scott, have you used one of know of anyone that has?
Jan. 11, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Bruce, No, it is a new produce introduced at CES this last week. And no, I was not there, wish I were, I read a few hundred posts on new products....
But its a reasonable cost product for multiple sports.
Jan. 11, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Also, not sure how it transforms the images to phones, tablets or what ever. But works with most OS's from what i remember. If I were still playing I would have ordered one to try. but I'm out for a bit it seems.
Jan. 11, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
Good luck, don't give it up!
Jan. 14, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
I ordered one. I probably won't start hitting for another month, but will post my results/opinions when I start using it.
Jan. 14, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
With almost 200 views on this, I'm sure many will be interested on your view(s) about it.
I will be.
Feb. 3, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
It was a nice day Saturday so we were able to get out and take some batting practice. There is a button on the zepp sensor that you are supposed to be able to push to mark your good swings so you can go back and compare your good ones to your bad ones. This was working for me so all I had was data for 74 swings (2 rounds). Fortunately the last swing of each round I had two HR swings with one of them being the ball I hit farthest during the practice, so I was able to know that those two swings were good ones.

Most of my swings were in the low 60 mph range. My fastest was 68 mph (paste this into your browser to see the graphic: http://tinypic.com/r/33dfrxt/8 . The last two swings of each round were 63 and 59 mph -- the 63 mph was the one that traveled the farthest).

It was interesting to see the path of my bat on each of the swings. The one that I included the link for the picture was the one at bat that I took the most direct path to the ball. On some of the others you could see an adjustment I had to make after I began swinging to adjust to where the ball was.

I can see this as being a useful tool once I figure out how to mark the good swings. For this session I used the same bat for all my swings but I also want to use this to see how my bat speed changes with different bat weights so I can try to pick the optimum weight/speed combination.
Feb. 3, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
It was a nice day Saturday so we were able to get out and take some batting practice. There is a button on the zepp sensor that you are supposed to be able to push to mark your good swings so you can go back and compare your good ones to your bad ones. This was not working for me so all I had was data for 74 swings (2 rounds). Fortunately the last swing of each round I had two HR swings with one of them being the ball I hit farthest during the practice, so I was able to know that those two swings were good ones.

Most of my swings were in the low 60 mph range. My fastest was 68 mph (paste this into your browser to see the graphic: http://tinypic.com/r/33dfrxt/8 . The last two swings of each round were 63 and 59 mph -- the 63 mph was the one that traveled the farthest).

It was interesting to see the path of my bat on each of the swings. The one that I included the link for the picture was the one at bat that I took the most direct path to the ball. On some of the others you could see an adjustment I had to make after I began swinging to adjust to where the ball was.

I can see this as being a useful tool once I figure out how to mark the good swings. For this session I used the same bat for all my swings but I also want to use this to see how my bat speed changes with different bat weights so I can try to pick the optimum weight/speed combination.
Feb. 3, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Sorry about the double post. I was trying to correct a typo in the first one and I thought I was editing it but was actually reposting it.
Feb. 3, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
Murray, I would be interested in seeing which weight you find optimal. I would suggest that you try swing weights and not just the weight of the bat.
Good luck!
Feb. 3, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Bruce, what do you mean by swing weights instead of the weight of the bat? Thanks!
Feb. 3, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
A 28oz bat may swing like a 29oz or even a 26 oz. It depends on the balance point. To find the swing weight, rest the knob on a fixed object with the end of the bat on a scale (horizontally). You should be precise and consistent with this from bat to bat. I have built a jig so it is easier.
The swing weights of my bats may be anywhere from 17.5 ounces to 18.7.
This is helpful when choosing a durable bp bat. This bat and your senior bat should be close to the same swing weight.
Feb. 3, 2014
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Murray I have 308 swings on mine. Where did you see any thing that would let you mark your best swing. I know you can compare your swing with BruceinGa but that all.
I normally swing a 30Oz and had bat speed
of 50MPH for the first 100 swings, I'm 74, do not
know if that's good or slow. The next 100 swings
I use a 32Oz and dropped to 47. My goal is to
get the 32Oz up to 50 before I go back to the 30Oz game bat.
I have send the company a long list of ??? but no
help.
1. What is the red triangle telling me
2. If I'm in the zone for .03--how long should
I be in the zone at 50MPH
3. If my vertical angle is 20 degrees what
should it be?
4. If Horz. angle is 47degrees what should it be?
I'm happy with it and I will some how make it help me with my swing--I though I would get more help from the company.
Wes
Feb. 4, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Wes, here is the information on how to "star" a swing. https://zepp.zendesk.com/entries/22678359-Starring-a-swing

I tried pushing the button on my sensor after good swings and it didn't mark any of them. I think that I may have a faulty sensor because the multi-function button does not respond very easily...even turning it on and off is an adventure. Do you have problems with yours?

1. What red triangle are you referring to?
2. I'm not sure how long you should be in the zone. I bet it is not as accurate or important for softball as it is for baseball.
3 and 4. I think the optimal vertical and horizontal angle is best determined by knowing which are you good swings and bad swings to see if there is some correlation. Also, I am sure it depends on the location of the pitch.

Glad to know that there is someone else out there that is trying this out. Keep posting your results and hopefully we can figure out how to use this thing to improve our swings.
Feb. 4, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Bruce,
Thanks for the clarification.
Feb. 4, 2014
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Murray
When I use the Bat Plane or the Bat Path a red triangle
is part of the picture on mine. I first though it was
showing time in zone but other times it looks like where
I hit the ball
The first thing I found out is just before I swing I do
a little circle with my bat when it is still behind my
head. Do not know if this is good or bad. One of the
things I wanted to check to see if my bat speed is higher when I do that or is it slower. When I first
read about this thing over Christmas I though that the
company would have some helpful training videos to go
along with it---so far the help from the company has bees zero, Oh well.
Yes it is very hard to turn on to the point I think
I will break the yellow skin at some point---so the ??? is will the company give you a new one or just tell you that mistreated it.
Feb. 4, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Wes, now I understand what you mean by the red triangle. Zepp says it is the time that the bat is in the hitting zone.
https://zepp.zendesk.com/entries/22585659-Bat-Plane

My best guess is that it is the time that the bat is decelerating after striking the ball.

I have that same little circle with my bat also on most of my swings. One interesting thing is that on my fastest swing I did not have any extra movement before I started my swing and I did not have to make any adjustments in my swing to hit the ball. I doubt if the little waggle before starting has anything to do with bat speed, but I can certainly see that if you don't have to make any up or down adjustments in your swing once you start swinging that your swing can be faster.

I emailed Zepp and told them about my unresponsive button and asked if I should send it back in for a replacement. We will see what they say.

Feb. 4, 2014
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Let me know gwesarchit@bellsouth.net
I'm in Louisville, Ky 4-6" at this time.
I'm swing indoors do not know if when I get
outside in March I will be faster or slower.
Feb. 4, 2014
Pull My Finger
70 posts
This product looks interesting.

I like to hang my pinky finger off the end of the bat. Does this thing get in the way or prevent me from doing that?

Do you feel it has made a big difference in you swing?

Is it worth the money?

What are some of the pros and cons of the product?

Any info or personal experience you can provide would be appreciated.
Feb. 5, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
I hang two fingers off the end of the bat and it did not interfere with the sensor.

I've only used it once so I can't say if it made a difference in my swing or not. My gut feeling is that it will help especially since I have wondered for years what weight bat I should use to maximize my swing. I have been swinging a 26oz bat for years, but maybe I should increase the weight (don't think I will ever get back up to my 38oz Bobmbat days!).

Is it worth the money? To me, yes, even if it just shows me my swing path and speed. This is something you are going to have to answer for yourself.

The pros are you can get a lot of information about your swing that you never had before. Whether this information can be made useful is another matter. The only con I have seen so far is the button to turn it on/off and mark your good swings is not very responsive.

Hope this helps.
Feb. 6, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Seems as though some good info may come from using this gadget. I will look into it again and check the links out MurrayW provided. Bruce thanks for the info on the bat swing weight.
Feb. 6, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
I heard back from Zepp and I'm going to try it out one more time this Saturday (if it is warm enough) and if the multi-function button is still giving me problems then I will send it back for a replacement.
Feb. 6, 2014
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
As for cost--it cost less than some of the old
bats you have in your trunk
I always want to know my bat speed and I did not have a gun or anyone to hold it--now I
know
They always tell you that your hands should be
leading the way in front of the barrel of the
bat I thought I did but was not sure --out of
116 swings I had 79 yes and 37 No and I found
out most of the No's were after I had 75 swings.
I try to swing 125 time when I have BP so I'm
going to cut back
The company has to improve training info
PS-it's my under standing, not sure, but you
can also use it on you golf clubs
Feb. 7, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
They are sending me a new sensor and told me to send back my current one when I receive the new one. Hopefully the button is more responsive on the new one.
Feb. 7, 2014
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Murray
got In 102 swings today and had 95 out 102 that
had negative Horz. angle and about 75 were
-50 degrees do you have any feel for what that angle should be---bat speed is up 2 MPH
Feb. 10, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
Wes, I went out Saturday and got about 80 swings and most of my impact angles were negative, both horizontally and vertically. I got up to 69 mph on one swing, but in general I was a little lower on the average compared to last week. I had just worked out with weights just prior to batting practice so that probably had some impact on my bat speed.

Here is what Zepp says about vertical and horizontal angles: https://zepp.zendesk.com/entries/22746594-Angle-of-bat-at-impact

They say +10 to -50 is best for both planes. But also this is geared towards baseball not softball. I think that a negative vertical angle is probably best because that gives you an upper swing that should result in line drives or fly balls instead of grounders.

I think the horizontal angle depends on where you hit the ball. If you are a pull hitter it will probably be more negative and if you go the opposite way it would be less negative or positive. At least that is the way I understand it.

Hopefully I will get my new sensor this week and it will be more responsive. Still have a hard time turning it on and off and the "star" feature doesn't work for me.
Feb. 18, 2014
MurrayW
Men's 50
92 posts
I got my replacement sensor and hit on Saturday. The "button" was much more responsive on this one and I was able to mark my "good" swings with it as I was hitting.
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