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Discussion: Team 1 Sports Miken bat testing

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Jan. 11, 2014
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
Team 1 Sports Miken bat testing
We put on the appropriate clothing and braved the weather to go out and hit with our new Miken team bats. You have to get your mind right and suck it up to go out and test bats sometimes. :-)
It was 85 and muggy. We put some swings on 26, 27 and 28 Ultra II Maxload 2 piece bats. All 3 bats are very good, but the 27.....
Oh my!!!! I would say that the 27 was game ready after just 5 swings. As much as I love my Legits, the 27 can definitely hang with them. The 26 and 28 are very good but will take more than 25 swings to be game ready. The 27 is a serious bomb dropper.
Alan "Team 1" Tanner did something I have never seen him do using the 27. He hit 3 balls in a row over 380'. Very impressive.
Jan. 11, 2014
Big Mike
61 posts
appropriate clothing?....85....is that degrees?....we have a hard time getting above freezing....damn I wish I lived in Florida....I could play EVERYDAY!
Jan. 14, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Round 2 withe the end loaded Miken 2 piece was much of the same.....bombs dropping from the sky, balls being picked up on the radar screen at the airport, birds having to change flight patterns AROUND the field instead of over it!
Seriously guys, I was impressed to say the least that the 26,27, and 28 ounce models all came to life quickly and even the 26 developed a much larger sweet spot today and distance and batted ball speeds that place these bats amongst the top of the list of any senior bat. Miken has clearly dialed in the 2 piece to just the right specs to make it truly a high performance senior bat.
More later in the week....

Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
561-718-7504
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
25 posts
I hope you guys realize that these bat test results you all brag about is exactly what is wrong with the senior game, and what is creating so many radical changes.

Does "dropping bombs" and "birds having to change flight patterns", all the result of techonology and little to do with the ability and hard work of the hitter, really make guys happy and feeling good about themselves?

Jan. 14, 2014
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
To the resident Skeptic....
I'm 6'2" 265 lbs so its not all the result of technology. I am lucky that I get to take 300+ swings a week with a great variety of bats. Most are average at best. When I really like a bat.... its a big deal :-)

My current favorite senior bats..
Worth Legit - Miken 2 pc Maxload and Reebok Melee EL
USSSA Jeff Hall Legit
ASA Demarini J3 and Jeff Hall Legit
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
25 posts
Perhaps it isan't the result of technology, but if the techonology is as insignificant as you are making it out to be then why the first post? Why the raving over that particular bat?

It just seems to me that if it is mostly you and very little the technology you would not be as concerned as you appear to be about which bat you use and which performs better. If it was all you the particular bat would be insignificant and almost irrelevant. If it was all you any bat you use would be a "serious bomb dropper".

As Lee Trevino once said "I'll take my clubs and beat you with yours, I'll take your clubs and beat you with mine".
Jan. 14, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Skeptical,
You seem to be contradicting yourself about the technology and the hitters skills in your posts. Technology , SKILL, AND HOURS OF HARD WORK, combined result in some of the results that were posted. Mix in years in the gym,on a bike, running on the road, and thousands of laps in a pool and add some great technology in. Result? What you read in the posts. I hit THOUSANDS of balls testing senior bats and PJ3P happens to like to do the same as is a regular participant in the abuse. Sometimes....and I say sometimes, we get to experience something a little better than normal and I inform guys of that. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Any athlete who sacrifices and puts in the time over the years as we have likes to enjoy the fruits of his labors...and share them with others. Technology isn't ruining our sport or any other, it's a fact of life. I encourage you to put some time in and enjoy what you develop. Best of luck to you,

Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
Jan. 14, 2014
Skeptical
25 posts
Perhaps it is me, but "bombs dropping from the sky, balls being picked up on the radar screen at the airport, birds having to change flight patterns AROUND the field instead of over it!" just strike me as trying to portray something that is more than "something a little better than normal". But again, could just be me.

"Technology isn't ruining our sport or any other, it's a fact of life". Please don't think these are mutually exclusive. It certainly is a fact of life, and in and of itself is not ruining the game, but all of the rules being put in to accommodate it is coming mighty close. The preponderance of 3 or 4 team brackets is enough proof of what guys think of today's senior game.
Jan. 14, 2014
mnball
9 posts
Alan,

This is the Ultra II 2-piece white one right ? End load I should say. Nice review to.
Jan. 14, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Yes that is correct.
Alan Tanner
Jan. 14, 2014
boogpow44
51 posts
The new bat technology has been great but it is a double edge sword. I played my first senior softball last year age 51. Before this I hadn't played ball since pony league circa 1977. These bats allowed a average at best ball player like myself player to hit over our fences here at a distance of 305. There are reps from our league that actually are talking about going back to wooden bats, what a joke.
Jan. 14, 2014
HJ
Men's 70
414 posts
boog, you may be right when speaking of 51 y/o players. When you reach 70 as I am about to do you may think differently about senior softball bats if you are still playing and swinging. Perhaps senior bats should only be used by those over 60, Just a thought
Jan. 14, 2014
garyheifner
334 posts
Most of the big bomb stuff is by the younger animals who might hit one with a broom stick.

Think back a decade or more.

Aluminum-to get pop thinner walls. Dented easily. I would go through 5 or 6 a season.

Wood-They break. I used to order a case of 12 at a time. Usually used them all by November.

I am still amuzed by guys I know who complain about only 300 or 400 hundred hits out of a bat, but will lay a hundred dollar bill on the bar at a tourney and buy until it's gone and not blink an eye.
Jan. 15, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Gary,
A very truthful look at technology and how it evolves! Btw, have you seen the new beer taps that fill the cup from the BOTTOM? Very impressive but I'm worried that the new technology might make me drink more since I just like to see the new machine work! Is that bad? Lol thanks for sharing and good luck this season.
AT18
Team 1 Sports
Jan. 15, 2014
cyborg45
71 posts
Tri, Has Miken done something recently to enhance the performance of the end loaded 2 piece? I purchased a 27 oz. last summer and it has taken forever to break in. Got over 300 hits on it and I'm not sure its broken in yet. While it hits pretty good, it doesn't yet match my red Miken. Just curious.
Jan. 15, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
CY,
Some of the first batches of the 2 piece were a bit stiffer than others. My first testing of them got me results very much like you shared. It took a bit to get them to respond like a red one piece. Remember, the one piece end load was quite a hot bat too out of the wrapper but durability suffered as a result. The new 2 piece model now fits into both categories quite nicely....ie, a bat easy to break in while attaining acceptable levels of durability. These last 3 bats that we have been testing show a definitive improvement over the earlier ones. Enough so that they certainly impressed me with the outcome and thus, my posts.
Hit me deep!
AT18
Team 1 Sports
Jan. 27, 2014
grayhitter59
Men's 50
9 posts
I think this is so funny, how someone comes on this board one day and talks about how great rebook bats are and the next day tells everyone how great Miken is.

What happend to the Combat?. When you where promoting that bat that was the best.

I think all who are reading this should be aware that Team 1 sports is now promoting MIKEN, so it is obious to me why the new mike are the best thing since slice bread.

I will tell everyone who ask me which bat has the best performance out of the rapper and longevity in the world of senior bats and that is Rebook. Until something better, in the future proves me wrong that is my choice.
Jan. 27, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Grayhitter,
I think it's funny that you didn't sign your name to your post, why not?

I give honest information about any bat that I am asked about. It doesn't matter what company makes it, period. Team 1 Sports and Alan Tanner simply give out information that is based on factual experience, testing, and knowledge. If you see that as promoting, that is your choice.
Good luck to you Grayhitter and enjoy your Reebok, it's a fine bat.
Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
Ps: don't forget to sign your name
Jan. 27, 2014
swing for the fences
Men's 50
975 posts
LOL I thought the same thing GrayHitter... you don't want to get ambushed! LOL But Grayhitter, Alan rubs Wintercrest on all his bats and what ever he swings is the best since sliced bread! It's the Wintercrest ;-)
Jan. 27, 2014
outfielder
Men's 65
59 posts
Alan Tanner is a straight up guy and will answer any questions you have and works hard at testing bats so he can give his honest opinion on the performance of each bat and publishes the good and bad points of each bat he tests and Swing,the wintercrest may be a secret weapon, I might try it at the TOC.
Jan. 28, 2014
kipg1960
3 posts
Who is this greyhitter? so negative today. This does not sound like the happy go lucky Manny...oops I mean grey hitter I remember. Might still be licking your wounds from this weekend in Tampa...lol..... I still luv u buddy!

regarding the post...I had tested the Miken 2 piece about 5 months back and I agree with an earlier post that it was a little stiff. We hit them this weekend for TEAM 1 Sports and it was a different bat right out of the wrapper. I am still an Ambush guy and like the pop / durability combination of that bat. However, I would put the Miken Ultra II, 2 piece endload right there on performance. Don't know about the durability yet but I am going to try to blow up the one I just started using this weekend and see what I get out of it. I typically get about 400-500 swings from an Ambush, 125 from a Melee and about 50 from a barrage so this should be interesting. Bottom line, stay in good shape, work hard in the gym and give your self the best chance of playing at a high level for as long as our bodys can hold out. The bats and technology we are fortunate to have will only continue to reward those who put in the work. It is not the stick but the stick holder. Consistancy and longevity is what lets everyone know that your play is not just luck. Good luck in 2014 everyone...Kip @ KG3 Sports
Jan. 28, 2014
grayhitter59
Men's 50
9 posts
I was not aware that I need to post my name. My bad, for all to know in the future the name is Manny Queipo # 7 on Miami Power.

Kip no negativity as far as the ass kicking you guys hand to us this time, but let's not forget the Villages that sent you into that nice conversation with your buddy.

As for Mr. Tanner you know where I can be found, if you need to speak with me.

The previous post was not meant to aggravate you or anyone, just my thoughts on motives.

Jan. 28, 2014
ffdonnie
Men's 50
90 posts
This seems to be special Alan Tanner posting rules.
Jan. 28, 2014
Fabe
Men's 50
202 posts
We all have opinions and different personal experiences, but few of us on this board take the time to actually test product and give assistance to other players. I also believe Alan is GTG, because of my personal experiences with him. Mahalo for all you do Al. Fabe (Familystones Hawaii)
Jan. 29, 2014
Lou50
Men's 55
21 posts
Have any of you guys tested the combat dirty and what do you all think of this bat. Looking to also purchase the reebok barrage not sure of the of the endload I have only used balanced one piece bats. Please advise Thanks
Jan. 29, 2014
swing for the fences
Men's 50
975 posts
I had a Dirty, thought it was like Ambush it was a decent bat, I prefer the Reebok Melee!
Jan. 29, 2014
grayhitter59
Men's 50
9 posts
I have a 28oz end loaded dirty, It has taken awhile to break in, which I use in league play, it reminds me of my old centurion.

But for me the Reebok Melee still seems best buy.
Jan. 29, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Lou,
The Barrage is not overly end loaded. More like a hybrid between balance and end loaded. It's easy to adjust to and breaks in easier than just about any senior bat. They get to high performance levels quickly and a few have broken early in life. Reebok is taking care of those for the players. I got in some more last week and the guys that have hit them like them a lot. I'm happy to help you out if you have questions.
Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
561-718-7504
Jan. 29, 2014
Lou50
Men's 55
21 posts
Thanks everyone for the info. Tri I will be in touch looking for a 27oz.
Jan. 30, 2014
garyheifner
334 posts
Be honest guys:

You say the 27 2 piece is hot out of the wrapper. I bought one and after 100 or more hits, it was a bust. I traded it for a 28 oz 2 piece and it has been great. The guy I taded with was getting good results after ?? amount of hits.

My question is: Is the 27 really that good or are you dealers stuck with a bunch of 27s and trying to get rid of them????
Jan. 31, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Gary,
Read the posts regarding the bat and what you read are simple facts and experiences of testing. Yours may have been one of the stiffer ones produced early on but the orders I have been getting in the last couple of months have produced very good results at all the bat weights. So to be honest as you ask....what you suggest is that we have a bunch of bats we are trying to unload? That is NOT the case and in fact it's OPPOSITE of what you claim. I have sold them out repeatedly and am having to reorder. When I came back from playing last week I had ZERO left and just got my restock yesterday.
Good luck with your 28 and the rest of the season.
Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
561-718-7504
Jan. 31, 2014
jfsully
14 posts
Not that Alan necessarily needs this from me BUT, I have found his bat reviews to be helpful and , most importantly, VERY un-biased.

The other thing Alan will tell you is that each bat can feel totally different to each of us. The best bat for you depends on your swing etc. Its not a one size fits all and there is no "BEST" for everyone.

I have had the ability to talk with Alan on many occasions and truly feel these pot shots being taken at him to be totally out of line and reeking of immature jealousy.
Jan. 31, 2014
swing for the fences
Men's 50
975 posts
jfsully, come on man! Allen is a big boy and can handle all they throw at him.. Allen is in sales and Never has un-biased opinion? LOL with that.. Don't get Ambushed! ;-)
Jan. 31, 2014
garyheifner
334 posts
Don't think I aimed a pot shot. Simply asked an honest question and received an honest answer. The 27 was purchased early on and stiffness might have been the problem as to why it took so many many hits to get results.
Feb. 1, 2014
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
Gary,
I am fortunate enough to get to swing a tremendous amount of bats, Senior, Utrip and ASA. We hit brand new bats and the 27 responded instantly compared to the 26 and 28 that we had. Based on that and 3 days before our world tournament I bought my own 27. I had the best tournament of my life with it. I have been out hitting 3 times since Worlds last weekend.
Over 325 swings of bp. Today we opened 3 new Miken Ultra 2 two piece Maxloads. A 26, 27 and 28. Of these three the 27 again outperformed the other two during the first 30-40 swings. The Miken's do not have the same feel as the Legit. They feel much stiffer, but the performance is just as good or better. Maybe its mental or maybe the 27 is just the right weight for my swing. I have always used heavier bats 28.5 -30 oz. I like how the mass helps, but with the Miken Ultra 2 two piece and the Worth Legit, the 27's seem to be reeeally good, really fast. Just my opinion.
Also keep in mind that 25 of my swings may equal 50 -100 of someone elses :-)

Patrick Phillips
Team 1 Sports Miken
561.776.9833
Feb. 7, 2014
Stingeray
Men's 50
1 posts
What we as seniors ball players should be discussing is the lack of durability in these "hot bats". The manufacturers produce bats that are designed to fail. They know they have a gold mine in us seniors. There are some of us that crack 3 or 4 bats a season. You and I know that these manufacturers can produce a bat with better durability. In your opinion, what is the most durable SSUSA approved bat?
Feb. 8, 2014
Tri18
565 posts
Through testing and feedback the most durable senior bats are the Combat Ambush and the Miken Triad Blackout.

As a senior ball player purchasing a bat you have a choice/risk.
Purchase a senior bat for high performance and assume the risk involved with that choice ...ie....it's going to break quicker than another bat .
OR:
If you don't want that and you breaking multiple bats each year select a good USSSA or ASA bat to use with a warranty.
It's each players choice...
AT18
Team 1 Sports
Feb. 8, 2014
Fabe
Men's 50
202 posts
Great advice Alan…still Ambushing in the Tropics….Aloha, Fabe
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