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Discussion: Rain and tournaments

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May 19, 2014
impster23
6 posts
Rain and tournaments
I just wanted to throw this out there because this is the second time this has happened. Over the weekend we played in Louden County for the East Coast Championship. The playing games were cancelled Friday and we played 3 games on Saturday, basically straight double elimination. Our team didn't fair well but that is not why I am angered. If we had won the thing, I would still feel the same way. We asked the Tournament director if there would be any kind of refund and he said, he doesn't control the weather! $525 for 3 games and 6 balls is a Joke. It was 5 games guaranteed. The weather forecast called for rain down there all week. We had a tournament rained out in Virginia Beach last October and we received a free entry in April and $300 off this Month in the Penn Classic in Drifton. I have played Seniors now for 6 years and the SSUSA tournaments in PA, Delaware and Maryland never have many teams and I believe its because of the Attitude of the Director and the way things are run. The ISSA tournaments have many teams in the different age groups plus you receive T-shirts for second and third place, and All-Tournament awards. Many of the events on the East coast barely give you a plague! I think the Associations need to get together and be a little bit more fair to the players and teams regarding these issues. Guys are paying money to play and for hotels and meals and so on. We should receive a little more than "I don't control the weather".
May 19, 2014
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
impster23.....i would respectfully disagree in all aspects of ur post.

if u read SSUSA rules of the tournaments, u will see once it rains, Director can change format as to how many games teams play...also how many innings and batters count. Don Brooks (Director) is a very nice man and possibly u didnt talk to him.
I thought the crew did an excellent job after all that rain Thursday night.

I played 65s during the week and the fields were in excellent shape. i play to play and have fun and comraderie..shirts, etc dont mean anything to me. W won the 65AAA and received nice windbreakers.


By the way, ISSA did try to keep the money after not a one pitch was thrown in Va Beach.
thanks, ken
May 19, 2014
impster23
6 posts
KBL, it was no big secret that Heavy Rain was forecast all week. Maybe if they didn't have the tournament the same weekend that a Women's tournament was scheduled, they could have played all the games. Poor planning I'm sorry!
May 19, 2014
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
impster...guess i am ignorant of the fact: what did womens softball have to do with anything. i was told fields were not playable all friday. "old guys" got their tourney in with a bit of rain.
ken
May 19, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1177 posts
Duane ... The SSUSA policy is to not postpone or reschedule a tournament based on weather forecasts, but rather to make all PLAY/NO-PLAY decisions at the fields of play at game time ... Such a NO-PLAY decision was made on-site Friday morning at 6:15 AM EDT, at which time the tournament recovery plan was commenced ... Our view, from 3,000 miles away, is that the on-site Directors did an exceptional job in bringing this tournament off despite losing a full day ... Here's some additional information on point from the Official SSUSA Rulebook ...

11.1(2) TOURNAMENT TERMINATED
If, in the opinion of the director(s), a senior softball tournament must be terminated prior to its conclusion because of adverse weather or other Acts of God, the tournament will not be postponed beyond its ending date. Should this unlikely event occur, refunds will be made at the discretion of the SSWC executive board. In no event will refunds be made after two games have been played. There is no guarantee of any refund. Participants must realize that nobody can control weather or other Acts of God.

Emphasis added

May 19, 2014
impster23
6 posts
That is fine, its just the attitude we received on the subject rubbed people the wrong way. For future consideration, why would teams enter events when the forecast is rainy? No one demanded a refund, but a little courtesy on your part might go a long way down the road. Lets face it, people took off from work to be there on Friday and spent money on Hotel rooms Thursday and Friday night! Its not a big deal or will it deter us from playing in any events, it just an opinion and I thought that's what the forums are all about. Let's face it, if no one ever speaks up about anything, how would you address any issues that impact the game!
May 19, 2014
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
imp, would you rather have had a postponement at game time and done the trip next weekend at additional hotel, meal, and travel expense? Or, perhaps hold it over till Monday and Tues when better weather is expected! NHRA is doing just that in Atlanta (Commerce) today with a much larger event. You have to deal with the hand your dealt. Mother nature doesn't always go our way.
I have found the directors do the best they can with the circumstances dealt to them. They are never going to please everyone.
May 19, 2014
Papa01Smurf
Men's 50
3 posts
Note to SSUSA staff... If you do not care what the players think, you can continue to ignore what they have to say, sweep it under the rug or whatever. Just know that other than "groupies" -- for every comment that you receive (positive or negative) there are at least 8 other individuals with the same opinion who do not speak up on the subject.

While I understand that the weather is not something that you control, I also know that when a game is not played, you do not pay for umpires for that game. And while weather postponing a game or two is not cause, losing an entire day of field usage to rain would get SSUSA a full refund for every field for that day. So if you think that people do not care about what happens to this money, you've got another thing coming. You should be happy to have players like impster23 who take their valuable time to give you feedback about their experience, because it gives you the opportunity to correct the situation before teams stop coming to your tournaments.
May 19, 2014
stick8
1268 posts
Papa01Smurf are you sure SSUSA would get a full day refund for all the rented fields if said day was rained out?
May 19, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1177 posts
stick8 ... The fields for the 2014 Atlantic Coast Championships were provided on a non-fee basis (complimentary) this year by Loudoun County as part of the overall tournament contract ... Accordingly, there is no field rental cost to be refunded to SSUSA ...
May 19, 2014
Papa01Smurf
Men's 50
3 posts
Well, there you go... That's even better. I guess I didn't exactly have that correct.
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