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Discussion: Northeast Team Ratings

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July 1, 2014
talldog93
10 posts
Northeast Team Ratings
The rating process in the Northeast has rated numerous teams to the Major level when they are not even close to being a Major level team. Whereas you have a team like High Street Bucs who win the SSUSA Loudon Tournament easily and win the ISSA Worlds in Salem and they still stay rated as a major level team. To win the Worlds in ISSA they beat a Major-Plus teamn to win that tournament. The teams that were re-rated to majors (many in the Northeast) all have played against High Street and they don't even compare. Our goal as any team in SSUSA is to go to the Worlds in Las Vegas but the teams that you have in Vegas rated major level are all close to the High Street caliber and are coming out of the Western part of the United States and play softball 12 months out of the year.. I really think SSUSA needs to re-look at their whole process of rating teams especially in the Eastern states and not just rate teams to a level that they are not capable of competing in. I'm hoping some of the North Eastern teams will also voice their opiniuons on this discussion.
July 1, 2014
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
talldog93, who do you play for. There were only three teams in Salem playing 55 major.
July 1, 2014
talldog93
10 posts
Our team did not play down there but I monitored several of our Northeast team that were there playing in 55AAA. You are correct only three teams were in the major bracket in Salem, two major rated SSUSA teams and one Major-Plus SSUSA team. The one Major rated team beat the Major-Plus team in the tournament.
July 2, 2014
Bucs-Chico
8 posts
Unfortunately rating teams is always going to be difficult task, from year to year, as some teams get better and others get worse.
Until they figure a way to rate players the system will always be unfair.
I determine the level our team should be rated by the number of HR's we can hit.
If I feel we can hit 5 or 6 dingers, a game, then we play Major, less then that then we play AAA.
High Street was actually AAA in most of the associations and they moved up on their own.
They hit anywhere between 4-6 HR's a game, as I keep a close eye on them, so they are rated correctly.
If your team is not hitting that many then you should be playing AAA or find a few more HR hitters so that you can compete.
The system is not going away so either you conform or you complain.
On a side note High Street's strength really comes from their coach, who is a genius and damn good looking too.
July 2, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1219 posts
The circumstance with talldog93's team is a bit outside of the normal ratings issues ... Their former team (Fat Nancy/Gubiotti Ins.) was rated Major, and the team split into two teams recently ... Both new teams had enough members with Major Player experience history from the former team that the new teams both carry the former rating with them, at least until they play and the results of that play can be evaluated ... This is an uncommon occurrence, but not unfair ...
July 2, 2014
talldog93
10 posts
Good insight Chico and you are 100% correct, until they get a system down that works across the Board, the rating system would be fair. The teams playing in Vegas would actually be somewhat at the same playing level. But as it is now, it does not work and what its doing is discouraging teams from participating in SSUSA tournaments. I know of at least three teams that will only play in ISSA tournaments becasue of the unfair rating system. Maybe a rating system should consist of a committee of dedicated SSUSA coaches that could assist and give their input to the rating process instead of just letting George decide on this. By the way we have really enjoyed competing against your team the last 5 years, I am from the FAT Nancy's Team. We had combined with Gubiotti's from Rochester 2 years ago and we were rated a Major team at that time and we had the power of players that could hit 6 homeruns a game. Now we are back to being just Fat Nancy's again with the same roster as we had 3 years ago and we are still rated a major team. The last year we have been lucky to hit 3 home runs a game. As for the last comment, I totally agree with all your saying in your last comment. Congrats on your big win down in Salem.
July 2, 2014
Bucs-Chico
8 posts
So there lies the flaw that your team rating is also based on how many Major player experience you have.
Some guys are playing Major just to play with their friends.
I think a system which accounts for team power would be a better measurement.
Scorecards contain that information for each game and each team.
If a team has played, lets say 10 games, and they're averaging 0-2 HR's a game then should be able to move down from Major to AAA.
It works the other way as well if a team is averaging 3-4 HR's a game then they should be flagged as possibly moving up.
If a team is averaging 8-10 HR's then please check their bats!
July 2, 2014
Bucs-Chico
8 posts
While I got the juices flowing, maybe a SSUSA staffer is listening.
As a pitcher the helmet rule is ridiculous, I understand the safety issue but finding a helmet that you can see full range is very difficult.
Especially when you have to quickly look down by your feet.
I think a better rule would be to allow a team an extra fielder once the opposing team has hit the max HR's.
Just because I have a helmet on doesn't mean they can't hit me in the foot, knee and a special area I like to call my money maker.
July 2, 2014
talldog93
10 posts
You are on fire Chico, you nailed it again. If you look at the last 8 or 10 tournaments that we played in even with the Gubiotti players, were were lucky to hit three home runs a game. As part of the appeal process, I had given them three tournaments to use for the appeal process after our two teams combined and for those tournaments I really don't think the homerun numbers were even looked at. We played at the Major level once we added major players (Gubiotti's)to our team. Our roster is now back to our original AAA team roster that we had and I had also provided the two rosters to compare but because we played with the major players from Gubiotti's, we are all now considered Major. I feel pretty good as I get older in life, my softball skills just seem to get better so that I'm rated a major player. Truthfully there is no flaw with this system. As for the mask issue, our pitchers seems to want to throw the mask off his head prior to making a play and it is possibly causing players to make the base due to the one or two second time it takes for him to throw the mask off. If they are so worried about you as a pitcher, then they should just put a net up, then it covers your whole body.
July 2, 2014
Capt Kirk
408 posts
How much influence does your regional tournament
director report have on Ratings? After each SSUSA tournament we have played in, the TD turns in a report to Sacramento. As a manager and player, I would to see the report. I know they are multiple factors that go into rating a team, I believe that the regional director report should carry the most
weight when determining a team's rating.
Capt Kirk
July 2, 2014
Capt Kirk
408 posts
Correction:
How much influence does your regional tournament
director's report have on Ratings? After each SSUSA tournament we have played in, the TD turns in a report to Sacramento. As a manager and player, I would like to see the report. There are multiple factors that go into rating a team, the regional tournament director's report should carry the most weight when determining a team's rating.
Capt Kirk
July 4, 2014
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
Please do not confuse SSUSA tournaments and ISSA ones. ISSA has absolutely no process to verify rosters from even a previous tournament. No matter what division you play, teams often rated at a division higher in SSUSA decide to play below that level in ISSA so they can dominate. The rating system is not perfect but even if you are a champion at the Holy Grail Manassas Int'l Championship, you can still play at the same level the following year. In essence, ISSA just wants the money and cares not about a level playing field because teams will load up with whom ever they want and come anyway. In SSUSA you play to the level you are at because you dominated at a lower level. Usually there are no surprises when you go to a SSUSA event and the playing field is much more level.
July 4, 2014
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
one good thing about ISSA, they put the scores up on line after a tourney.....don't know why USSA isn't that smart yet! Not you Dave:)
July 4, 2014
rbigs51
Men's 55
8 posts
thats what i dislike about issa,major teams drop down and play teams that generally have a bit less talent.not always but most of the time.all the organizations should get together and make one set of guidelines to keep it s=more fair.i do agree with Bernie
July 5, 2014
neck10
493 posts
buc,s im consussed how is an extra infielder going to keep YOU from getting hit,no mask wont either!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5, 2014
skid7
1 posts
I wear the Rip-It mask and can see in all directions. Mask is also light. I would also like to see instead of the pithchers box, just a box, how about trying a circle or cone shape so the pitcher has more options to move left and right. Increasing arc would not hurt either!
July 8, 2014
Paco13
364 posts
What does it take to get on the Mighty "High Streets Buck 55" team? Interested.

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