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Discussion: What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?

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July 7, 2014
Tim Millette
498 posts
What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?
I don't seem to recall any discussion after the Reno event on the new Homerun for outs rule.

How did it effect the game?
July 7, 2014
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Tim why beat a dead horse...Just 3 years ago the rule was DBO after the limit was reached......The rule last year made for longer and more boring games in the + division......The reason I like the DBO is because if you're playing at the Major & Major + level, you should be talented enough to ADJUST! If your only swing is hitting bombs, then maybe your not as good as you think you are! The DBO makes for real good game adjusting, saving your Home runs for when they really count! (i.e. 3 run bombs, 2 run bombs when your 5th run is at the plate with 2 outs etc etc) That's good softball! Solo's suck as we say!
So to answer your question, there were no real effects as far as the games I played in & watched! Our team hit our homers in timely fashion! That's what good teams & players do!
July 7, 2014
tg69
309 posts
rightrj1....Well said!!!!!!
July 8, 2014
ffdonnie
Men's 50
95 posts
Honestly, I saw what you'd expect, a lot more balls hit up the middle.
July 8, 2014
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
400 posts
When discussing HR rules Ė I notice a significant difference in HRís in teams that play 50/55 vs. 60+. The difference is even more noticeable at 65+. One shoe does not fit all.
July 8, 2014
DoubleL10
Men's 65
833 posts
I play 65 Major + with Omen and we very rarely hit our allotment of HRs. I would say we average 2 a game and that's because Fred Purvis plays with us!
July 8, 2014
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
400 posts
What's Fred's phone number? :>)
July 8, 2014
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
Ok Tim, Iíll bite. Only because its summer time and Iím a bit bored..

We have a guy who has an over the line swing- heís really good at it at it. Spent years working on it. He has been successful with that swing at an .800 percent (8 hits every 10 at bats) success rate over the course of the last 9 years. I've played with and against some very good seniors and I donít know of a player that hits a homer 8 times out of 10.

Our very best home run hitter has a success rate of just over .333 (1 homer every 3 at bats). Who does the rule penalize here? The .333 or the .800 percent success rate player?

Would you propose a rule limiting the number of dink hits a team can have? After 8 dinks they have to hit the ball hard? Sounds kind of silly doesn't it? But itís the same logic.

More importantly the dbo rule takes defense away from a game where they already devalue defense (5 or 7 runs an inning devalues defense). When fair balls hit really hard go over a fence for an out-that is one less out defensive teams have to record. At the 50 major plus level this season, the home runs rule has put less defense in the game!
July 8, 2014
Hammer22
19 posts
Mango, I just busted out laughing with your post about the DBO taking defense out of the game, Thanks
July 8, 2014
txnighttrain
17 posts
Rule 6.18 prohibits hitting the ball intentionally up the middle at the pitcher. This is an umpire judgement call. The batter is declared out and ejected the game. If I hear a player say he is going to try to hit the middle, I will point it out to the umpire and remind him of this rule. If you are concerned about safety, practice bat control and hit it to all fields.

July 9, 2014
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
Hammer
Glad I could entertain you because if you can't laugh..... However, the dbo rule and the 5/7 run limit per inning both REDUCE defense. If you think about it, watching a ball hit over the fence for an out doesn't really require much defense does itÖin fact it requires 0 defense. Hard to argue different.
July 9, 2014
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Mango,
The DBO is great DEFENSE, if you have a hitter that has no bat control and his team is out of homers, A good pitcher will serve it up, cause this guys has no bat control he hits it out, it causes the defense to get an OUT! Not saying it's right, but it is the rules we play bye!
Just like trash talking, IMO is good defense, some will disagree and say it's unsportsmanship, but if you allow me to get in your head and you make an out, I've played good defense!
July 9, 2014
Tim Millette
498 posts
Well, this thread has been up for a few days and it's interesting there has not been a full on attack of the new dbo rule.
So far there has been no talk of lower scores, close games, more innings being played, etc, etc....

Other then....Mangos interesting twist that the new dbo rule eliminates defense, it's looking like, at least based on Reno, the end of the world posts based on the new dbo rule have failed to materialize.
July 9, 2014
Cuervo13
9 posts
Only a home run swing???? I almost @@@@ my pants. I could expect to hear that from newbies that are in their early 20's just learning to hit a 10 mph pitch with a 12 foot bump.

but from 50/60 year olds????? If you have not learned to hit a grounder through the 3-4 or 5-6 hole by now I would be shocked hahahahahahahahahhah
July 9, 2014
STL0
47 posts
Tim: I think you hit the nail on the head. There has been no discussion at tournaments so far this year about this impacting the game in any meaningful way at this point.

We have played 4 tournaments and have not seem more balls hit up the middle nor have we heard anyone complaining about the rule in any discussions during the game or while enjoying a beverage after the game.

What's the next world is ending topic?
July 9, 2014
Mulewhipper
68 posts
I don't think it affected any of the games we played in Tim...at the Major Level.
I believe there was one game where the other team hit one too many for an out.
but they won the game anyway.

Our team didn't hit the magic number in any of our games...but then, we didn't play that well.

Didn't see too much middle hitting...no more than usual anyway.

Scores were about the same or slightly lower than usual.

Not sure how this rule affects Major Plus, but I believe the HR DBO rules is perfect for Major teams.

July 9, 2014
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
Actually Tim to be fair, I didnít say it eliminates defense, I said it lessens the amount of defense necessary to get up to hit.

However, in one game a few months ago I watched a team make all three outs in one inning by watching dboís hit over the fence. They never once made a defensive play. The defensive team couldnít catch the hard hit balls that were hit down, and there were lots of them. Even though they had a great defensive pitcherÖ. evidenced by the fact that he was serving up lots of cookies for lots of hits that inning (according to RightRj this make a good pitcher). In this particular case it did ďeliminateĒ defense for that half inning.


July 9, 2014
Mango
Men's 50
90 posts
The dbo may act as an equalizer to help the weaker teams with softer hitting players, or narrow the gap between major and major plus teams, or make the game more or less enjoyable to players, but it certainly doesnít add defense to the game. Any time a team gets to hit without recording an out that devalues and subtracts defense.

And sorry Tim, I kind of got off topic on your thread- In Reno our pitcher was hit 3 times and we hit 3 pitchers. Thatís a total of 6. It seems pretty high-especially for the pitchers that were hit. But this is not how one should do statistics (anecdotally).

I would use logic- and if players are hitting the ball down more because of the dbo- it stands to reason that you increase the chance of players(infielders and runners) getting hit .Thatís just simple probability. Suppose you made a rule where any groundball was an out then players would lift the ball more and probability would suggest that that would statistically decreases the chance of players getting hit. Thatís really sort of common sense isnít it?



July 14, 2014
Tim Millette
498 posts
Mango, Although I don't agree with the less defense thing..lets just say for the sake of this thread that your twist of less defense is true.

Would you not agree that the new dbo rule reduces the blow out potential, brings more strategy into the game, and rewards base hitters, speedy runners and when they need to use them/better fielders?
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