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Discussion: Softballs for World Championships in Vegas

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July 31, 2014
Fuzz
Men's 55
7 posts
Softballs for World Championships in Vegas
I heard that the Trump Rock is not going to be used in the World Championships in Las Vegas this year and that we will be using the Trump ball we're using in qualifiers. Is that correct? I agree that the same balls should be used in the qualifying tournaments during the year as are going to be used in Vegas.
July 31, 2014
softball4b
Men's 60
765 posts
Did you not read the banners above?

OFFICIAL SOFTBALLS SSUSA Rulebook 3.5
There have been some recent competition issues and inquiries about "Official" Softballs for SSUSA events ... At SSUSA administered events, we provide six (6) softballs for team use and have additional softballs available for purchase should a team desire to do so We offer the following information to clarify our official softball policy ...

Rulebook 3.5 (page 17) defines an Official Softball for SSUSA sanctioned tournaments ...
Rulebook 3.5 E. states "In all SSUSA sponsored qualifiers and tournaments, official game balls must have the official SSUSA stamp or be pre-approved by SSUSA headquarters, located in Sacramento, CA."
Except for the LVSSA/SSUSA World Masters and Southwest Championships held in Las Vegas (which use "The Rock" ball), the only softball that meets that pre-approved criteria is the Anaconda Trump "Stote" optic yellow softball with .44 cor and 375 compression ratings ... Additionally, any such softball must have the official logo of SSUSA, ISA (the Base Burglar logo), Florida Half-Century (FHC) or Texas Half-Century (THC) imprinted on the cover ... NOTE: Among the most often encountered non-compliant softballs are "The Rock" and "Micro-Cell" technology softballs ...
PENALTY - Teams discovered to be using non-compliant softballs shall be assessed a "forfeit" for that game if they are discovered to have introduced a softball for play that does not meet the specific criteria of Rulebook 3.5 E. (as clarified above) ... The use of non-compliant softballs is deemed to be the use of "illegal" equipment ...

Please contact the Sacramento Home Office if you have any questions ... Thank you!

SSUSA Rules Committee
July 31, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1303 posts
LVSSA/SSUSA World Masters Championships = Rock Ball
July 31, 2014
Garocket
Men's 55
160 posts
Kind of a stiff penalty for someone accidentally throwing in the wrong ball and someone hits a fly ball and makes as out. The defense shows the umpire they hit the wrong ball FORFEIT wow

or lets say team A is getting beat, most pitchers take the ball to the dugout when the inning is over. Team a switches ball to an illegal ball, brings it out pitches to a few batters than says HEY umpire they are hitting an illegal ball FORFEIT sounds like a tuff day for tournament directors LOL


I would just say the pitcher has the ball, they all look at it if they pitch it it becomes legal until someone discovers it. OR
If a team throws in the wrong ball and defense catches it the last batter that hit the ball will be ejected.
This will make the coach of the batting team to be sure and throw in the correct ball
July 31, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1303 posts
And while they have that ball in the opposing dugout, what if they insert the super-duper gyroscope, GPS and heat seeking devices that cause the ball, regardless where it's hit, to veer straight to 3rd base, hit the bag, pop up, fire up the heat sensor and drone jets, find the thigh of the runner on 3rd, confirm through the GPS he's actually in foul territory, slam into his thigh, shut all systems down, drop softly in the grass and smile like a well-behaved puppy dog at the ump? ... What a fine mess THAT would be! ... Well, it COULD happen! ... [grins] ... (Oh, and using illegal equipment should have harsh consequences)
July 31, 2014
Garocket
Men's 55
160 posts
Guess I asked for that one LOL
July 31, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
I doubt ...,.""MOST" pitchers take the ball with them to the dugout... stands but rather drop it or toss it to the mound area like I do.

BORING staff... but those would sure be interesting balls... lol
July 31, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1303 posts
taits ... While you were sleeping, there was a hypothetical "stump the ump" thread here that really wasn't that far off factually, and was certainly every bit as probable of (not) happening! ...
July 31, 2014
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Many things are probable, but more unlikely like Terry pitching for instance.
Now I'm waiting the for target proximity bats. Maybe will be called "EYES" lol
See ya maybe at the complex in Sac.
Aug. 4, 2014
Fuzz
Men's 55
7 posts
I guess I'm confused as to why we would use the Trump Stote at the SSUSA Qualifying Tournaments throughout the year and then use the Trump Rock at the LVSSA/SSUSA World Championships in Las Vegas. The Trump Rock is definitely a hotter ball than the Trump Stote. Why don't we use the Trump Rock at the qualifying tournaments if that's what we're going to use in Vegas world tournament?
Aug. 4, 2014
Fuzz
Men's 55
7 posts
It seems like it would make sense to hit the Trump Rock at the qualifying tournaments throughout the year so teams could already be used to it at the World Championships. If the Rock costs more than the Stote, we'd understand the need to increase the tournament entry fees.
Aug. 4, 2014
softball4b
Men's 60
765 posts
You must be new to the board. When LVSSA and SSUSA combined there was an agreement to use the Rock ball in the Vegas Tournaments. Not sure how long this will be in effect, but at least for this year.
Aug. 6, 2014
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Last year at the Worlds in Vegas we went through almost 500 dozen X-Rocks for the tourney. This year we have over 600 dozen put aside for this years worlds in Vegas. Can not tell you about next year but I do know that this year we have a number of balls ready to be hit. So it should be a shoot out again. Good Luck to all teams that make it there.....

Mighty Mike Macenko
aka: Gorila boy
Aug. 6, 2014
Fuzz
Men's 55
7 posts
Thanks for the info everyone. It's definitely fun to hit the Trump Rock and would be fun to hit it at the qualifiers as well as Vegas. My suggestion for the future is that we hit the same ball (whatever ball that might be) at qualifiers as we're going to hit at the World Championships.
Aug. 6, 2014
Marv19
Men's 60
446 posts
I dont want to get into the technical facts about the ROCK as to why it has less breakdown and to some flies a whole lot further. My purpose is to tell you all that there may be a change to the ball you all have so much affection for. As many of you know I use the ASA version of the ROCK. Since we went to that ball there are no reports of the ball fluttering while spinning in flight as opposed to the ISA ROCK. The reason for our change was to get a ball that has a leather composite cover and is certified legitimate 44/375.

Now to "your" ISA ROCK. As many of you know it is a double covered ball. In other words it has two covers. An outer and an inner cover then the solid core. We have cut this ball in half, along with others, to visually observe the insides. We are not engineers but the fingernail test tells us the ISA ROCK has a much denser core than the ASA ROCK and the Trump Stote. BTW the Trump Stote has a synthetic cover.

Now for the speculation. I recently was given an ISA ROCK from a recent shipment. The ball seems to have been redesigned. The part number of the old double cover ISA ROCK is X-ROCK-ISA-Y. The new ISA Rock that I have when we cut it in half is a single cover ball and the core is exactly like that of the ASA ROCK in color and density. The part number of the ball we have is X-ROCK-ISA-Y-2. Now Im no genius but in automotive when a part was redesigned or was updated they sometimes put a dash 2 or B behind the part number. Or the number was one digit off. Time will tell but I will tell you this, the ISA ROCK I have is not the ISA ROCK you all have in mind.

Two ways to identify the (so called) new ISA ROCK. One it doesn't feel squishy. Second is the microfiber "MCT" Logo is missing on the ball. Beyond that it looks the same. I guess only ISA and Anaconda know for sure :O)
Aug. 6, 2014
ffdonnie
Men's 50
95 posts
Wow, talk about opening a whole new can of worms...
Aug. 7, 2014
Fuzz
Men's 55
7 posts
Thanks for the info, Marv19.
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