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Discussion: Managers nightmare!!

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Aug. 9, 2014
Harri
Men's 65
59 posts
Managers nightmare!!
Time to vent...again. And YES I know there is a no-refund policy, but...After sending $500 plus $16 for overnight delivery for the July 25-27 ISA World Champ. tournament in Columbus IN, got emails from 4 players stating they could not attend. Had no choice but to cancel out. Sent email to Jerry Jackson explaining the situation and obviously requested a full or at least a part refund. There were 6 other teams in our division, so it did not impact the cost to ISA. Not only did I not get a response from Jerry, but saw that the check was cashed. We do not have full sponsorship and we all know how expensive these tournaments have become...so just wanted to give you all a heads up when you are considering to attend an ISA tournament. I know we will never attend one in the future!
Aug. 11, 2014
Big Mike
67 posts
go to your bank, tell them what happened and have them reverse the funds. Happens all the time. They will do it especially since you requested your funds back.
Aug. 11, 2014
hector
Men's 60
27 posts
I do not know all the details.
If your player's backed out after the "cut off" date for refunds etc. Maybe they should be responsible as they are the ones that created the problem.
Aug. 11, 2014
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1084 posts
Your team withdrew after publication of the game schedules and brackets for the ISA tournament ... Whenever a Tournament Director is paying a professional scheduler (and that was the case), your assertion that "...There were 6 other teams in our division, so it did not impact the cost to ISA..." is incorrect ... Forfeiture of (at least a portion of) the entry fee is what covers the cost of the re-schedule your withdrawal caused ... And that doesn't compensate for the inconvenience to the other affected teams, host facility staff time to re-do maintenance schedules and umpire re-scheduling, for example ...
Aug. 11, 2014
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
Big Mike, getting money back from one's bank is not likely in a situation like this.

One can put a stop payment on a check BEFORE it is cashed and incur no problems with your bank (but may be sued in a civil action by the payee who received, therefore, a "bad" check).

One can file a forgery affidavit attesting to the fact that someone else illegally used your name to write the check, but that is not true in this case since Harri wrote the check. A false forgery affidavit to get one's money back can result in a criminal action against the one attesting the charge.

One can file an affidavit swearing that the amount was altered; that someone other than the rightful payee cashed the check; etc., in other words attesting a criminal action by the recipient, but this also can result in criminal action against the filer of a false affidavit.

In Harri's case, he wrote a legitimate check to a legitimate payee who cashed the check. Maybe a partial refund could have been made by the TD, but in any case the bank is out of itónothing to do with them. It is a private discussion and decision between two parties and one of them (maybe both!) just happens to be a bank customer.

and thanks, Dave, for the enlightening information about costs to a TD that may be overlooked. In my team's next tournament, we have a late start time on the first day, so all of us are driving to the tournament in the morning. If the schedule were to be redone at this late date so we had an early morning time, we would be unable to obtain lodging at the smaller community hosting the tournament because of limited hotel space, so it would be either leave at 4:00 am, or stay 30 miles away from the tournament siteóneither a desirable option.
Aug. 11, 2014
Garocket
Men's 55
160 posts
Harri
Things that teams never think about are!

Cost of Motel rooms for Umpires if a few teams had dropped out after the brackets were drawn and number of games needed maybe a umpire or two whould not have needed rooms.
Softballs were purchased for each team. T-shirts for resale were purchased by the number of teams attending. Left over t-shirts cost money.

Lots of different things go into redrawing tournaments.
These senior tournamenst with pools and brackets get really affected when 1 team drops out. Takes hours to redrawn and type up game schedules.

But the team thinks no big deal just send my money back.

Deadlines are there for a reason.

penalize the TD cause of the team player? really
Aug. 11, 2014
MikeF
4 posts
It would be nice if somehow we knew how many teams were in our division before the deadline for refunds. We entered a regional (ring) tournament as a 70 AAA team and found out after the deadline that there were no other teams in our category. But we didn't know that until after the refund date. Our team didn't want to go all the way to the 3-day tournament and play 65 or 75 teams. I understand what Garocket said about costs that few teams consider but there's gotta be a better way. Maybe a partial refund would do the trick.
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