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| Aug. 28, 2014 Sisavic 190 posts | You Make the Call - Crash at Second Base Batter hits the ball into left center. He rounds 1st and heads for 2nd. The throw is on time but low. The second baseman bends down and catches the ball. The runner crashes into the second baseman knocking him to the ground. Ump says the crash was unintentional and there is no penalty for knocking down the second baseman. Correct call? Next call. Man on 1st base and no outs. The batter hits the ball to SS. The throw to 2nd base is on time but low. The second baseman bends down and catches the ball. The runner crashes into the second baseman knocking him to the ground. Ump says the crash was unintentional and, even though the batter was a very slow runner, there was no attempt by the second baseman (rolling on the ground)to throw to 1st base, so the batter was called safe at 1st. Correct call? |
| Aug. 29, 2014 B.J. 1105 posts | 1st call....if B/R was going for a double, why was fielder standing on the bag? This is a tag play not a force out.....the base belongs to the runner the fielder should straddle the bag for the tag. Now if it was a good throw and the fielder was standing there holding the ball for a tag and the runner ran into him I would have an out and a warning on the runner .......2nd call....both these call are judgement calls by the umpire and hard to answer without seeing the play but if the runner is out by more than a couple steps he must veer off or slide into bag and in Senior Softball you do not have to attempt to throw the ball to make a double play...if in the judgement of the umpire the fielder could have turned two..B/R is out or runner closet to the plate |
| Aug. 31, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | I'm not certain the situations you describe were in senior ball or young mans ball. In SSUSA runners must avoid crashing into a defensive player attempting to make a play. In your first scenario I presume the runner did not slide? If that's the case then by SSUSA rule the batter-runner would be out. As an interesting aside if the runner missed the base to avoid a collision he is not called out. In your second scenario the umpire may call a double play on that if in his judgement the collision negated a double pklay. |
| Sept. 1, 2014 Fred S Men's 85 297 posts | Stick*: Your right but the problem comes in ump making the safe call. I don't ever remember an ump making the safe call In that situation. That is the basic problem, why veer off if the umps don't call it. IMO if the umps would make that call you would see more veering off. |
| Sept. 1, 2014 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | fred on the veering off sets the runner up for being called for interference also.....the runner should go to the base directly and that is all his obligation is....he doesn't have to duck or slide..it is up to the fielder's to get the throw over to first..... |
| Sept. 1, 2014 B.J. 1105 posts | GETTING AN OUT AT 2ND BASE.... lets remember that the bag belongs to the base runner, any fielder attempting a play at 2nd base should be going across the bag not standing on it. To many times I see a fielder plopped right in the middle of the bag. If a runner is going into 2nd base and is going to be out he should veer off and usually to the outfield side of the bag. Failure to do so and then making contact with the fielder, the umpire should call the runner out and then the closest runner to the plate to complete the double play. SSUSA has now established that a fielder does not have to release the ball in order for this call to be made. If a runner while going into 2nd veers off to avoid a collision and then the fielder drops the ball and by the judgement of the umpire he would have been safe going directly to the bag he should be called safe and awarded 2nd base. |
| Sept. 2, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | Fred I have to admit I've never seen that call made either. Even if players did know the rule I tend to think just by instinct players approaching second base where would not veer off if there was a close play. |
