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| Sept. 9, 2014 Mulewhipper Men's 55 128 posts | You Make The Call Situation: Bases Loaded and 1 out. Play: Line drive hit to outfield, outfielder makes a diving catch, umpire calls it a catch and an out. Runner on third tags and goes home, runner on first was running on the play and never tags, he stops two feet before reaching 2nd base...ball gets thrown to second baseman who then tags the runner out going back to first base for an inning ending double play. The runner on third scored before the tag was made for the third out. Question: Does the run count? |
| Sept. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | YES • This is not a force play, since the runner is no longer required to advance to 2nd base when the line drive was caught ... It's a common misconception that a runner put out by a tag on the way back to a base, or having the throw beat him back to the bag (Live Ball Appeal) for the out, is a force out ... It is not, therefore the run being scored or not is a timing play with respect to the moment he crossed the scoring line as compared to the moment when the base runner was retired ... |
| Sept. 9, 2014 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | Good explination Dave. This is a timing play as long as the runner scored before the out COUNT IT |
| Sept. 9, 2014 stick8 1992 posts | Staff and Garocket are correct. Try this one: Bottom of the open inning, runner on third, two outs. Score is tied. Pitcher announces to the ump they are going to walk the next two batters. First batter runs across the middle of the field to second (doesn't touch first). Then the next batter goes to first. The following batter gets in the box and before the first pitch to him the pitcher appeals the runner on second missed first base. Is that runner out? |
| Sept. 9, 2014 B94 Men's 50 138 posts | Yes he is! Even on back to back intentional walks the runner must touch the bases in order. |
| Sept. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | stick8 ... As you wrote the hypothetical, the answer is NO ... See last sentence of the rule below ... §8.2 • BATTER BECOMES A BATTER-RUNNER (Page 42) B. When four pitched balls have been called by the umpire. The batter-runner is awarded one base without liability to be put out. EFFECT: The ball is dead and runners may not advance unless forced. If the pitcher desires to intentionally walk a batter, he may do so by notifying the plate umpire who shall award the batter first base. If two batters are to be walked intentionally, the second intentional walk may not be administered until the first batter reaches first base. NOTE: If the umpire mistakenly allows two walks at one time and the first batter fails to touch first base, no appeal will be honored on the first batter, because an intentional walk constitutes a pitch to the succeeding batter that nullifies any appeal. If the appeal is made BEFORE the second batter to be walked gets in the box and then is sent to 1st base, the answer is yes ... It's all about timing B94 ... |
| Sept. 9, 2014 stick8 1992 posts | Staff that's the tournament rule but this hypothetical situation actually happened about 25 years ago--in a house league game I was watching--our team had the next game. The umpire administered it incorrectly but he made the right call. He stated once the second batter was walked and reached first that's considered a pitch and you lose the appeal on the runner at second. The team in the field went crazy and protested the game--nearly started a riot. The UIC came out and interestingly enough stated it was a correctable situation and told the first batter to get back in the box and go to first. Then he told the second batter to do the same thing. Then he told the umpire "let that be a lesson to you." |
| Sept. 9, 2014 Mulewhipper Men's 55 128 posts | Great explanation Dave...I guess I owe an apology to someone. He did make the right call...and we went on to win the game anyway, but I thought for sure, it was considered a force play. |
| Sept. 11, 2014 lb16 Men's 60 196 posts | Mulewhipper this is one of the most mis-interpreted terms in ball. Simple way to understand if runner is not forced to advance it is not a force play. On a caught flyball baserunner is not forced to go anywhere, runner advances on his own discretion. |
