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| Oct. 9, 2014 ronkers 4 posts | Determining Seeding OK, now that the tourney in Vegas is over I would really like to get a straight answer as to HOW the seeding process goes.....I just brought up the brackets and it clearly says the first determination is head to head, then runs allowed, then run differential, and then a coin toss....so in the 60 Major bracket there were 9 teams with a 1 and 1 record....as I read the determination of seeding again, why weren't the teams that played each other seperated first.....as an example, I play for the Enviro-Vac Maurders, we tied with Pope at 1 and 1, we beat Pope, but because the tournament director determined that they gave up less runs they were seeded in front of us....there were 2 other teams, like us that also got a lower seed than a team they beat...and 2 teams went extra innings (which means the teams play 2 open innings) and they are automatically disqualified by fewest runs given up because of the added inning(s)....using your rules to determine seeding all teams that are tied with the same record should be seperated, using my examplke all winning tied teams go ahead if the losing teams and then go to the second tiebreaker....in this case fewest runs given up....but I believe a fairer detemination should put the run differential second and then fewest runs given up...that way the teams that did go extra innings are not penalized and the teams that beat another team tied with them at least get and deserve to be seeded in front of the teams they beat....I do not want this to sound like sour grapes, I want to find a way that is fair for all, including those that go extra innings or have a tougher prelim game...thoughts? |
| Oct. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | ronkers ... Please re-read the Format section of the Seeding Schedule page ... Because what the tie-breaker format actually says is: Tie Breakers - Head to head (in full RR only), least runs allowed, run differential, coin toss ... A two-game seeding structure does not constitute a full round robin for a 23-team bracket pool ... |
| Oct. 9, 2014 ronkers 4 posts | Then why even list it? more importantly moving forward is the flip flop of the run differential with the fewest runs to protect those teams that play high scoring games and maybe even a full 7 innings and those teams that go extra innings which are treated like open innings....thoughts? |
| Oct. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | Because sometimes (it's rare), say in an 8-team bracket, three teams will be 2-0 and three more will be 0-2, with the last two being (obviously) 1-1 ... If those two played each other, that would constitute a "full round robin" between those two teams, and the winner would receive the nod for the higher seed ... Aggregate runs allowed is a higher priority tie-breaker criteria than run differential from a sportsmanship perspective ... We would much prefer to reward your team with a higher seed by you playing good defense rather than by thinking "...We're ahead by 15 now against this really over-matched opponent, but if we can hang up another 20 or so runs in the top of the open inning, we may get a higher seed! ..." There is some support for eliminating the run differential tie breaker altogether and making the flip-flop rule mandatory in pool play like it is in bracket play ... As it is now, net run differential is the third (of four) tie-breaker criteria, just one step ahead of the coin toss ... |
| Oct. 12, 2014 Navy Men's 60 20 posts | I noticed a problem in the 50 Major division as well. If scores were posted correctly, there were 11 teams that finished 2-0 in seeding play. Two teams that finished 1-1 were seeded #1 and #2. Not sure how that worked out on the bracket. The team that should have been #1 seed was #4, The #2 seed was the #9 Seed, The #3 seed was correct, The #4 seed was the #5 seed. So if I looked at this correctly, it should have broken down differently. I know directors are under a lot of pressure to get scores posted correctly and timely as teams are crowding around to find the results. But that isn't the time to make a mistake. Best to take the extra time and get it right. All in all, each team must win regardless of who they play during the tournament. Great job with the tournament overall! My second year there, and I will be back for next years event. |
| Oct. 12, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | Navy ... We believe you are incorrect in your analysis ... The #1 and #2 Seeds were predetermined to be the two participants in the USA National Championship Game, with the winner of that game earning the #1 position in the bracket, and the loser being #2 ... The remaining 29 teams were seeded conventionally into the #3 through #31 slots ... There were only nine (9) unbeaten (at 2-0) teams, not 11, including one of the two USA National Game participants ... The link below will give you the details of those seeding assignments ... • 50-Majors: Seeding Control |
