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Discussion: "Weight Transfer, A Mistunderstood Key to Explosive Hip Rotation" Swing Makeover 22

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Nov. 21, 2014
bogie
Men's 65
448 posts
"Weight Transfer, A Mistunderstood Key to Explosive Hip Rotation" Swing Makeover 22
Many hitters do not understand completely how the weight transfer works. WE developed a Drill that more easily helps hitters understand and pratice the transition from the stride, weight transfer and finally to hip rotation. Once we are not buried on the back leg anymore, we are able to keep our body angle more correct, and drive the ball to the outfield gaps, as we rotate more easily and powerfully. The episode also shows several hitters at the SSUSA worlds, talking about how they fine tuned mechanics and excelled at the October event. All episodes are an sportstechnique.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBZPKwyT-E
Nov. 21, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3233 posts
Another great video Bogie! ;)
Nov. 24, 2014
Funk
66 posts
MBA Elite thanks you Bogie for making these great hitting tips videos.
Nov. 24, 2014
SALSAKID49
Men's 60
161 posts
Bogie,

Thanks for your video info..., they are very helpful...
Nov. 26, 2014
bogie
Men's 65
448 posts
Bogie thinks MBA Elite, should have allowed us to win worlds, haha Thanks and congrats on a great job.
Dec. 13, 2014
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
How about something for guys that aren't 6'5" 274 lbs. plus? I understand the mechanics if you're more of a power hitter, but all that hip rotation is hard on the back.
Dec. 13, 2014
road kill
Men's 60
35 posts
Sweet video, thanks!
Dec. 13, 2014
dp44
6 posts
Bogie,

As I stated below what a pleasure to hit with you yesterday. please tell me how do I go about watching your video. Where do I go online.

Thanks Roger Tabor
Dec. 13, 2014
Sunshine1949
Men's 65
58 posts
Roger
Go to www.sportstechnique.com, that is Bogie's site, tried to email but your address must have changed. Good stuff but it is really about the right hip leading the swing but I guess we get old and lazy and sometimes forget the basics, all the best.

Sonny J.
Dec. 13, 2014
bogie
Men's 65
448 posts
Roger, had a lot of fun at Cape Coral and certainly you showed us why you are a Hall of Famer...great job and nice to see you again and that powerful swing. Wayne, yep, I know what your saying about rotation being hard on back...I have a herniated L5 disk so I feel your pain..but if a hitter wants consistency and power...we have to use the hips and this can be painful on the back. I guess if its bad enough...a linear punch swing is about all an athlete can do, if you can't swing in an arc. I really can't find any way to get the consistency and line drive power in tandem, without using hip rotation and a rotational swing.
Dec. 13, 2014
Tim Millette
615 posts
It's my believe rotational hitting is senior softball reduces your power.

The main reason rotational hitting is often used in baseball is because the batter doesn't have the hand speed to catch up to the fastball.

In senior softball...no pitcher can throw a fastball past the hitter so..if your a senior player shortening your linear extension by rotational hitting is cheating yourself of as much as 20% of your bat speed. There is a reason bats cannot be longer then 34 inches it limits your linear extension.

If you doubt my believe on this subject??? Just look back to the top precomposite softball players swings. Linear swings is what was required in the aluminum era...unless of coarse..you stuck a needle in your azz.

That same linear extension still gives you more bat speed then short arming your swing with a rotational swing you do not need to use because the pitcher has no way to throw a fast ball at you.
Dec. 14, 2014
bogie
Men's 65
448 posts
Tim has good points, but to clarify what we teach, we often refer to a good swing as a natural power swing, with a rotational emphasis on the hips. In truth, if you look at any good swing, there is really no rotational or linear, its a combination. Coil is rotational, stride is linear, hips and body rotate, but as they do there is an extension of the arms which is linear within the rotation of the body, and the torqueing of the wrists is rotational. All the elements need to be in balance. We put emphasis on the hip and body rotation as a teaching point, because its what we see break down the quickest with the hitter using only upper body and arms.
Dec. 14, 2014
Eurskine
Men's 50
185 posts
All very interesting....Bruce..Bogie...I have a question. I was viewing one of Denny Crine's You-tube video's,and he made an interesting comment. When he plays USSSA or NSA, he swings a 28oz bat(DC-41)...When he plays ASA,he swings a 30oz bat(DC-41)..I know there is some simple Logic behind this,but I wonder what is your input other than the height of the pitches...3'-10'..6'-12'.
Dec. 14, 2014
Tim Millette
615 posts
Ken, your swing evaluation two posts up is right on, although I think we see proper weight shift and arc of the bat slightly different based on some of your videos I has seen.

I assumed when you were talking rotational hitting you were talking about the craze that's taken over many baseball schools of thought..ie...short arming your linear arm extension.

In the end...tutoring senior players limbs/backs/legs/eyes..ok..lets just say BODIES, into a successful softball swing is more of a Rube Goldberg then an exact science.

The first thing I ask a new senior student is..do you have any ailments that limit your mobility?

After that question is answered...most often I have to pull out my Rube Goldberg senior softball hitting book.

The power chapter is the shortest chapter..it's one page long...it says..

I don't know how we are going to get there YET but somehow we need to get the bat head from here to there moving as fast as possible.
Dec. 14, 2014
bogie
Men's 65
448 posts
Like the points you make Tim..Eurskine..It really seems to vary so much from player to player. Many say utrip they feel a need to catch up to a fast utrip pitch, as for bat size, Connell swings like a 27 balanced and hes a beast, yet a smaller but still powerful Blackburn swings a 29 endload, so it just varies so much. I think if a senior has good hips and legs, they do more of the work and are stronger muscles, so if you can go heavier for senior play, mass in a bat helps if you can handle it.
Dec. 14, 2014
Tim Millette
615 posts
My view is...seniors should not waiste any time trying to learn to make a seniors swing look like the younger "elites".

For the most part those guys have purchased (steroids) their ability to shorten their swings and still have HUGE bat speed. I'd call it the Bonds factor.

They also mostly play against USSSA pitching which is like comparing apples to oranges for our senior games.

Also understand that many of the younger elite power hitters have had to become pull hitters because the elite events are being playing on baseball fields with the shortest distance to the fence being down the lines. Our senior fields are symmetrical/usually 300 feet all around.

While talking about baseball field demensions..there is a reason the park gets bigger the farther you go from the foul lines...linear extension hits the ball farther and...it's easier to get extension hitting a ball alley to alley...so don't waiste your time becoming a pull hitter...there is a reason it's called the power alley.
Dec. 14, 2014
Eurskine
Men's 50
185 posts
Thanks Bogie....I appreciate your time to answer or clear up some fog i was having.I SWING a 30oz,and i am comfortable with it....mainly because i lift atleast twice a week.Once again,Thanks.
Dec. 15, 2014
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
Question. Does anybody work with taking the top hand off the bat as they complete their swing?

I've worked with it some, and I seem to hit the ball harder, but I don't swing as a hard as usual when I do it.

My problem is I just don't stay consistent with it. Perhaps I'm over swinging by increasing my bat speed at times.

Anyone have anything to add to what I'm doing?

I moved down from the heavier 29 and 30 bats a few years back, and have used the 27 exclusively.

I've hit with Corky Pellan a couple times. Now that is one person who uses rotational hitting. He about screws himself into the ground.

Guess that's why they call him Corky, short for corkscrew...........:)
Dec. 15, 2014
road kill
Men's 60
35 posts
Hey Bogie,
Thanks for the tips, I have viewed the video and I am applying the techniques described.
I have been to the batting cages twice now and I am achieving notable success and improvement using the techniques described.
To me, it is almost less stressful on my wrists, back and ankles.
I am 63 years old and using and Ultra II 34" 27 oz,can't wait for summer!

Thanks!!!!!
Dec. 15, 2014
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3233 posts
Wayne, I've released my top hand since I started playing softball, 40 years ago. It seems natural now. Just like any change it will feel odd to begin with.
Dec. 15, 2014
Tim Millette
615 posts
Letting go with your top hand should not effect your bat speed at contact unless/which does happen occasionally...the hitter slows down his hand speed before he finishes hitting through the ball.

It's not guaranteed but a do know a couple top hand release hitters that ended up with elbow/forearm issues latter in life.
Dec. 15, 2014
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
Just to clarify........I'm taking my top hand off the bat almost immediately after I make contact with the ball, not after I've finished my follow through, and the hand comes off the bat.

What I more alluding to was the fact that the harder I swung, I wasn't hitting the ball as well as when I took something off my swing. Less bat speed=harder hit balls.

I suppose I'm referring to the Charley Lau hitting technique that many of the Royals players used back in the George Brett days. I'm picturing more of a Tony Gywnn, or Rod Carew swing if you will.

When I'm on, I'm hitting line drives up the middle, sometimes in that gap one hopping the fence. Mostly my power now goes to right center.

I used to use a pronounced open stance, and pull the crap out of everything. Just hit it hard, and make them catch it was my mantra. Injuries over the last three years have more or less forced me to redo my whole approach to batting.

I've been able to work on my health issues this off season. Perhaps I can experiment with different techniques, and get my timing down to be more pro-effecient.
Dec. 15, 2014
titanhd
Men's 60
638 posts
The bat should naturally come out of your top hand as you pull and follow thru. You should not make an effort to "let go". I suspect the reason you feel you "slow down" or "don't hit the ball as hard" is because you are consciously thinking to "let go" and not simply taking a good hard swing at the ball.
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