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Discussion: isa and ssws worlds

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Dec. 2, 2006
turn2
486 posts
isa and ssws worlds
has anyone heard any dates on the isa and ssws places and dates for 2007?
thanks in advance,
donnie chavis
turn two collectibles
Dec. 2, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
Donnie, I checked the ISA website last night and still nothing. I think their convention was held this past week in Auburn, Al.
Maybe we'll hear something soon.
Dec. 3, 2006
the wood
1084 posts
We only know the dates of the SSWC Nationals (Oct 26-28) in Phoenix. Has ANY OTHER ASSN announced the dates of its 2007 Nationals (and location)? Ridge told me 10 days ago that he was on the verge of making their determination but I have not heard anything further.
Please let us know if there is information available for the 2007 season... qualifiers and Nationals.
Thanks, Bob Woodroof
Dec. 4, 2006
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
USSSA IS IN BROOKFIELD, WI. THATS A SUBURB OF MILWAUKEE.....SPA IS THE SAME WEEKEND AS LAST YEAR IN PLANO......WOODSTER, IT'S ON THE SPA SITE
Dec. 4, 2006
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
SORRY.......USSSA IS THE 1ST WEEKEND IN AUGUST
Dec. 4, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
All that SPA has on their website are the qualifiers. Their nationals aren't confirmed as of yet, according to Steve.
Dec. 4, 2006
turn2
486 posts
just found out that the isa world is in bridgeton, mo again and it is the same weekend as alabama in nsa. july 27-28

later,
donnie chavis
turn two collectibles
Dec. 4, 2006
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
LAST WEEK THEY HAD THE 2007 INFO WITH THE NATIONALS LISTED
Dec. 4, 2006
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
JUST CHECKED THE SPA SITE, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERNET FROM LAST WEEK!!! YOU'RE RIGHT, WAYYYY TOO MANY ORG.
Dec. 4, 2006
Robo2
223 posts
I like having a choice of what Nationals to attend. I like the SPA and the SSUSA because of the rules, the balls, the bats and the locations.

Just think if we were stuck with ASA rules or attending a location in some remote location.

Just my opinion.
Dec. 5, 2006
Dale
Men's 50
76 posts
Gary19 - Your point is well taken.
Just by paying your entry fee, you are 'qualified' to play in a 'National Tournament'.
What happened to playing your way into the tournament?
I love playing this game and would travel wherever I needed to to play in a real "National Tournament".
I'll have to say that over the past 5 years of playing Senior Softball, I've found the tournament action to be quite competitive. But, why not at least make teams 'win' their way into National Tournament play.
I suppose the first argument would be having qualifying/regional tournaments with enough teams in each division to make it a 'worthy qualifier'.
Another argument could be made for travel/vacation arrangements being made in advance, but Gary19, as you said, we did it in the 60s/70s.

And Gary19, having read your posts of the past, I agree with you on bat issues as well.

Boy, I guess there have always been bat-cheaters, but I've never heard so many players (especially those 50 and up) so in love with there equipment.

What happened to grabbing a bat (any bat) and going to the plate and taking your hacks?

As you can probably guess this post is from a 'singles hitter' who would also call himself a softball 'purist', and one who has played this game at a copmpetitive level for 30+ years
(and hope to play for 30 more).


Dec. 5, 2006
E. Ness
122 posts
You know this happens every winter. Guys hating the bats, the balls, and the number of associations. Some wishing for the good old days and there is nothing wrong with that as long as we understand you can't have the good old days with your pick of the new rules added in.

In the 1970's when I started playing here is what it looked like:
ASA only until the mid 1970's
TWO DIVISIONS A AND MAJOR
Wood bats in the mid west then thick walled metal bats.
Fast pitch 50 core softballs followed by polycore 50 core softball with who knows what compression. That was followed by the T 4000 and then back to the polycore with a range of 44 to 50 core
Some open fields but mostly fenced fields with the FENCES DISTANCE BETWEEN 275 AND 285.
Unlimited Arch on the pitch.
Unlimited homeruns
no time limits
no run limits
60 foot bases
46 foot pitching distance
NO REGIONAL RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 team tournaments divided between two divisions
No sandbagging.

As far as today goes the ASA is the association with the most concerns about bats (even though they have no real proof the bats we use are a safety issues. Some guys would like to just have the ASA and the USSSA but with that there is a problem.

ASA senior softball only has one tournament and that is the world as does USSSA, NSA, and ISA. So it seems they do not believe we the seniors are worth their time. That leaves us with the senior associations who are trying to do what the players want by keeping the good bats and decent balls. And yet we still have some who want to go back to the good old days but I would bet you would not want to go back to the two divisions, 275 to 285 foot fences, unlimited homeruns, unlimited arch on the pitch, no bat standards (bring back the 36 inch bats) and 50 core softballs.

Life evolves boys and so does everything we do. You can't go back and only remember part of what was going on and then say lets do that again. It is either all or nothing. And before someone says well the scores where not as high or there were not as many homeruns think again.

I wonder what it would be like if all we had was the ASA, NSA, USSSA, and the ISA. As it stands now that would only be four turnaments a year. Think God Terry, Ridge and the others decided we needed our own associations and listen to the majority of the players as to what they wanted. The only problem they have is the regional rules with the Major Plus divisions. You want those to be bigger you have to open it up. The others have to many problems with bat rules, different ball rules, and sandbagging. Sorry it was so like and like everyone else just my opinion.

Dec. 5, 2006
E. Ness
122 posts
I do to but I also know that in order to have a lot of teams in each divisions at the worlds you are going to have to cut out a division or two.

AA and AAA are where the majority of teams play so lets just cut out the upper two divisions and let the major and major plus players play down. Two divisions = lots of teams.

I tend to disagree. I believe any time evolution takes place it is a good thing. It is what we do with that evolution that makes it bad or good.
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