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June 16, 2015
pibmkting
2 posts
foul
from your rule:
1.28 foul tip
a batted ball which goes directly from the bat, not higher than the batter's head, to the catchers hand(s) or glove and is legally caught by the catcher.

question:
IS THIS A CATCH FOR AN OUT???
June 16, 2015
SSUSA Staff
3483 posts
YES if there are already two (2) strikes on the batter ... Otherwise, NO, it's simply a strike.
June 16, 2015
Garocket
Men's 55
259 posts
Actually no unless there are 2 strikes on the batter.

Foul tip rule should not be in a slow pitch rule book.

All a foul tip is, is another strike


Foul tip is as you described above, in fast pitch and baseball a baserunner can advance on a foul tip but not a foul ball.
If the ball does not go directly and that would be bat glove immediately then it would be a foul ball.

In slow pitch any ball that does not go fair is a dead bal. In baseball and Fast Pitch runners can steal on any foul tip or passed ball or wild pitch
June 16, 2015
B.J.
1105 posts
Garocket....your last comment about...In slow pitch any ball that does not go fair is a dead ball...that is not necessarily true...any caught foul ball even with 2 strikes is a live ball and runners may advance after the catch.
June 17, 2015
Garocket
Men's 55
259 posts
BJ you are correct but any fly ball that is caught really is not fair or foul only caught over one of the two territories. Any ball that is caught is a caught ball for an out. If caught over foul territory it is never called a foul just an out. I know I am splitting hairs and you are correct in the concept of playing the game.
What I was really trying to say is in slow pitch the definition of foul tip never really comes into affect in Slow Pitch. In slow pitch a foul tip is just another strike. with two strikes is would be an out because it would be a 3rd strike foul.
June 17, 2015
pibmkting
2 posts
WHY DOES THE RULE SEPARATE A FOUL TIP DIRECTLY TO THE HAND OR GLOVE FROM A FOUL TIP DIRECTLY INTO THE BODY OR EQUIPMENT. IF THE BATTER IS NOT OUT EATHER WAY
June 17, 2015
B.J.
1105 posts
pibmkting....this arose a couple of years ago when ASA did a rule change on a foul tip for slow pitch softball and then chnaged back again....it was never changed in SSUSA so a foul tip was and still is just a strike
June 17, 2015
Garocket
Men's 55
259 posts
In slow pitch it should not.
This rule is a fast pitch and baseball rule. I guess back many years ago they rules makers figured that if the ball went straight from the bat to the glove then the catcher had a chance to throw the base runner out.

ASA define the rule a few years ago to read a ball that does not go directly from the bat to the glove is a foul ball and if caught it would be a foul ball caught and an out. nothing about going higher than the batters head. If the ball was fouled back and the catcher had to dive an catch it then it is an out. Nothing about higher than the batters head is mentioned.

Pretty easy if it is not a foul tip by definition than it has to be a foul ball. And I always thought a caught foul ball is an out LOL
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