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Discussion: EBAY buyers beware.

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Dec. 12, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
EBAY buyers beware.
I just got f***ed on EBAY. Bought a used Ultra 2 with the 2000 ASA sticked on it. Seller said it was only used for 4 games. Photos looked OK. When it arrived it looked as bad as my cracked U2 that I used for 3 seasons. The photos did not show the knob. The paint was totally worn off. There were 4 small cracks at the end of the bat. I specifically asked the seller if there were any cracks.

Do yourself a favor if you are buying on ebay. Ask the seller lots of questions. Even then, there is no guarantee you won't get screwed.

I have asked the seller to make it right. If not I will go through ebay for negotiations. A last resort will be to ask ebay to ban the seller.

Another lesson learned. I will disclose the seller if they do not make this right. Stay tuned.
Dec. 13, 2006
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I'd like to know sellers Id, I do alot of buying and selling there, thanks. tait_ebay@yahooo.com
Dec. 13, 2006
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Dear “Hit-The-Gap”. Ah, when the Ultra II was a good bat way back in the early 2000’s. Are you trying to change your moniker to “Hit-The-Fence”? As I recall from Business Law 200 circa 1965 U of Washington, there’s a doctrine of “Caveat Emptor”, or "let the buyer beware" when making an arms length purchase from a seller. It use to be that the buyer could not recover from the seller for defects on the property offered that would rendered the property unfit for ordinary purposes like hitting the gap or even making it all the way to the fence!

An exception to the rule of law was if the seller intentionally concealed defects like cracks in the bat or excessive wear ‘n tear. In today’s world of politically correctness, courts have now established a precedent law of an “Implied Warranty” or an assumed usefulness for the purpose intended. So you may have a good argument in small claims court with judge Wappner presiding and saying…“I read you complaint and in my estimation you got screwed Mr. Gapper”.

Bashbro1 is not an attorney by profession (i.e. computer programmer) but has from time to time impersonated one in the bar.

Dec. 13, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Hi Taits. I am trying to get the seller to refund my money. I am going thru ebay resolution center to do this. Ebay does have a policy whereby if the seller won't make it right you can get some money directly from them if you really get screwed.

I will keep you posted.

Bashbro. What's up? I know, I know. I tried to be careful by asking the seller specific questions about the bat and thought all was good. Turns out she was selling it for a "friend". I want you to know that I have been at the gym hitting the weights regularly since the SSUSA worlds. I can only to hope to have your pop someday. Trying to double the number of HR's and increase the BA next year. That would put me from 1 to 2 HR's. LOL
Dec. 13, 2006
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Ebay has that posted. Hope the seller of this bat had feedback was very good (about 98% with at least 100, or 100% with less), from his buyers. It's too easy to build up good numbers from sellers. I check both sides and also if like items were involved.
Still would like to know his ID. I'm sure others do as well.
Dec. 13, 2006
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Sometimes the resolution center works it has got me back all onec and only 33% the last time.
If I sell for another person, I state that in the description.
Dec. 13, 2006
jolly52
Men's 55
49 posts
I have been dealing with Ebay for years in the beginning I was burned once but learned an important lesson.. Ebay is for Ebay they will try to get your money back but they are powerless .. if they ban the guy then he just signs up with a new name.. there resolution dept is also useless in the case the seller dosen't want to work with you..Use Pay Pal and a credit card.. I found out this is the best way if Pay Pal can't or is powerless just call up your credit card company and they will credit back your money from Pay Pal who was the funding provider this has worked 2 times so far.. of course you send back the bat and lose the $10 shipping in most cases but you original amount is back!! Credit card company's at least in this instance help out excellent.. ask questions from the seller and always use credit cards thru pay pal..
Dec. 13, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Thanks Taits and Jolly. Am still trying to get a decent settlement. The bat is a piece of shit. Heavily used. Seller has offered a 20% refund. I want to just send it back.

Jolly you are exactly right. I did not have a paypal acct setup and just didn't want to do it right then. I normally use my AMEX for everything for just this reason. I never stop learning.
Dec. 13, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
You may want to post this info on Softballfans.com. Odds are that this person may post there also. Maybe someone that might be able to influence the seller.
Dec. 13, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Just settled for a 25% refund. That means I paid $125 for a broken down U2. I would have gladly paid the $165 for a supposedly nearly new one.

I'm pretty sure this was a one time bat sale for this seller. Nothing else they are selling at this time is sports related. That should have been another clue.

Sellers ID is mellobunny75 for future reference.

Never too old to learn.
Dec. 14, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
You might want to try to sell the bat on Softballfans.com or even eBay, describing the defects of the bat. Maybe you can break even or at worst lose $25.
Dec. 14, 2006
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
From my experience in taking a ton of bp with composite bats...A guy probably should NEVER buy a composite bat used. They can break so fast and you don't know if it was hit with 525 comp balls in the cold and in temps below 45 degrees. While it is tempting, I always try to buy new in the wrapper. And buy from a reputable authorized dealer like the ones we read on this board..then the receipt will be in your name rather than someone elses....which may or may not be honored. I too have been burned on buying used more than once....I finally learned my lesson.
Dec. 14, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Thanks for the suggestions Bruce and Bogie. I was looking for a first generation U2. Mine held up for 3 years under heavy use. The new U2's have a reputation for breaking fairly fast. The one I bought was advertised as having been used in only 4 games. Otherwise I would not have purchased it.

Looks like I will be looking at the new Ultra 2 Advanced or the Senior Combat.
Dec. 14, 2006
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
HTG: LMK if your wanting a Grey Ultra, & weight, I know of a few. tait_ebay@yahoo.com

Dec. 14, 2006
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
As for warranty with one company,Toledo, IMHO they suck & *uck you. I had a Katana 2 I wasn't sure I had registered. I called and got a message from Keith who said to re register it. I did that about as month before the warranty would expire. Bat was in very bad shape at theat time but still useable, even with two cracks in it. I also sent in a copy of my receipt that was in my name, from a valid dealer. I never got a reply as to status that they got it or anything else. That was around May this year. My mistake was not keeping the conformation number in a safe place. I lost it. That is worse than the ebayer who is taking you. I try to keep a list of id's , emails and names of persons I would not deal with because if not being srtaight up bout any item. Just because it might be another type of item now, does not mean it might be something you want later on. Avoid the dealer. Or have him send first. And when satisfied then send your end or return the item to him whth and explanation.
I've have used ebay for about 4 years or more, did Prodigy , compuserve and aol for at least 8 involving pc games and bats. Total of total loss 1 from seller part from a ebay resolution and 1 where I got my money back from an ebayer. another where i sent software to a person in NY but he said he didn't get it, I sent another one. That's when I started using the tracking or conformation recipt.
Dec. 14, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Taits is right, always us delivery confirmation and insurance.
I have over 450 positive feedback and feel that I have only been shortchanged twice, each time the seller refunded my money.
Dec. 14, 2006
stattad
Men's 65
169 posts
I don't see your feedback. Didn't you give him a NEGATIVE?

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=mellobunny75&iid=110060224895&ssPageName=VIP:feedback:2:us
Dec. 14, 2006
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
Hi Stattad. As soon as I get the 25% refund, you can bet I will be providing lots of negative feedback. Want to get some money back first.
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