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| Aug. 2, 2015 Capt Kirk 541 posts | international tie breaker-runner At the Heart of Texas Qualifier in Georgetown this rule was violated. The tie breaking runner did not advance to 3rd before he was replaced by another runner. The umpire did not know the rules, the opposing manager questioned the umpire, but they umpire allowed another runner replace the tie breaking runner at 2nd base. 5.4(2) • INTERNATIONAL TIE-BREAKER RULE Teams start each half-inning with a runner on second base. The runner is the last batter of the previous inning whose turn at bat had been completed, assuming a position on second base. No substitute or courtesy runner may replace him until he has reached third base. If the last batter of the previous inning cannot continue to play because of injury, illness, etc., he will be declared out and the next previous batter will be the tie-breaker runner. Capt Kirk |
| Aug. 2, 2015 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | Regrettably, this appears to clearly be an umpire error, hopefully not to be repeated. |
| Aug. 5, 2015 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | also what is the rule for pitching...1-pitch or full count.... also in this tourney the awards were pitiful for the winners of each div....little round medals with lavender ribbons...must of cost all of a dollar to get them.... |
| Aug. 5, 2015 Capt Kirk 541 posts | Some interesting stats on pitch count (from MLB over a (4) yr period): Absent similar FP softball data, MLB averages by pitch count for 4 recent years as borrowed from the following theoleballgame.com website (link http://www.theoleballgame.com/battin...-analysis.html ) I can't verify the validity of the data because I don't know the source but it appears consistent w/ average splits i've seen previously (I used the referenced site because I could easily copy and paste the data from it for view here) Count 2000 2007 2008 2009 First Pitch .336 .344 .337 .338 1-0 .343 .341 .339 .340 2-0 .360 .350 .355 .368 3-0 xxxx .396 .370 .395 0-1 .324 .324 .339 .317 1-1 .325 .327 .329 .332 2-1 .340 .339 .339 .339 3-1 .344 .368 .350 .352 0-2 .160 .164 .160 .156 1-2 .178 .170 .179 .171 2-2 .195 .191 .194 .189 Full .234 .230 .227 .233 I have always believed that 3-2 is a pitchers count. The statistics above indicate that the pitcher's advantage is only greater in 3 other counts (i.e., all other 2 strike counts). Are your opinions and your recommended approach to DD/players, whether pitcher or hitter, consistent with the data? Other thoughts or revelations? Although I'd expect FP data to reflect higher averages than MLB, I don't expect major differences in the relative averages by count. FP data would be welcomed if anybody knows a source. |
| Aug. 5, 2015 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | mad dog ... All International Tie Breaker innings are supposed to be exactly like the Open Inning, EXCEPT for the runner starting on 2nd base (who must reach 3rd on his/her own, no exceptions) ... The pitch count is 0-0, three outs are required, all are Open Innings and you use the same batting order and lineups ... Have no opinion on the awards, since this was not an SSUSA administered event ... SSUSA sanctioned it, but those details are left to the independent T.D. ... |
| Aug. 6, 2015 joel 1975 131 posts | didn't the winner's get bragging right's |
| Aug. 6, 2015 Fred S Men's 85 297 posts | This is a good example of Association's having different rules. I would guess the Ump was basically an ASA ump where you can replace the runner at 2nd. |
