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Discussion: senior combat

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Jan. 3, 2007
J R
180 posts
senior combat
i am a 60 aa player,bought new combat by anaconda,good bat,but cracked,after 100 swings,not durable at all,temp.was at 65
Jan. 4, 2007
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
JR......DID YOU ROTATE IT AFTER EACH HIT? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN IT AT LEAST 1/8 TO 1/4 OF AN INCH. I JUST RECEIVED MINE AND HIT WITH IT THE OTHERDAY AND IT'S STARTING TO ''SPIDER WEB'' ON ONE SIDE, SO I ROTATED TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S ALMOST BROKEN IN, IT JUMPS OFF THE BAT.
Jan. 4, 2007
J R
180 posts
even cracked the ball jumps off the bat,i still own 4 u2's,and will use them most likely they are legal in league play in houston,and spa.i did rotate
Jan. 5, 2007
koived
41 posts
Come on JR tell the truth. You broke this bat in with a mallett didn't you.......
Jan. 7, 2007
jim16
Men's 65
169 posts
J.R. I think you owe it your board brothers to "fess up" and post how you broke your senior combat in. Most of us already know you used a hammer but you are misleading a few on this forum. I know, your buddies know, your BP partners know. Why not share it with the rest of us.who dont know.
Jim
Jan. 7, 2007
JMJIT
Men's 60
35 posts
I am thinking about buying one of these bats.it is helpful to all to be honest when reviewing all post.I do not need another bat that will break
is a short time.What do you`all think about the Combat over the U2`s

Jim
Jan. 7, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
JMJIT: The COMBAT, is almost as good, distance wise as the U-2. The U-2, has been made to break inless than 200 swings. That is if, y r a Power hitter.

Several of the Major Plus Players in Vegas, will tell u that the Combat, will last 450 to 600 swings. If, used properly. Worth, is also, coming out w/ a Senior Bat. More than likely, this bat will be an Ultra, that K2, paints for Worth.

K2, owns Miken & Worth. Hopefully, this fact is correct. In the winter time, most composite bats, will not last.

There r only so many Seniors. Why is Combat, Miken, Worth, Rip It, & Minzo, all trying to out do each other, as far as Seniors???

From my point of view & talking to 50 -55 Seniors in this area; once one has 50 swings on a Combat, do not hit that bat in B.P.

AGAIN, for the last 3 yrs, U-2's, break in less that 200 swings. SENIOR COMBATS, will last about 500 swing if, one does not hit the Combat in B.P. If, it is cold; or balls r not 44 cor 370 to 400 comp, DO NOT HIT ANY COMPOSITE BAT.

GOOD LUCK.... The STONEMAN
Jan. 7, 2007
oldfart
2 posts
I agree that the market is very small for seniors that can use the U2.
I think you are also right on about the Worth bat if it comes out. K2 would not allow Worth to have a better bat then Miken.
I think Rip It pulled out of the market with their 'U2' bat. I never hit it but heard it was ok.
I have hit the combat and liked it however I play more community ball and we use ASA bats.
Never heard of good bat from Mizuno - what do they have ???

Thanks
Bob
Jan. 8, 2007
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Doesn' Mizuno make the Mayhem? its pretty decent
Jan. 8, 2007
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
The Mayhem is a very good bat and is made by Worth which recently bought or merged with Miken.
Jan. 8, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Right Pete, the Mayhem line is made by Worth. There is the orange Mayhem 98, the greeen Mayhem 120 (referred to many as the Booger), as well as the Mayhem 120 M7 and the Mayhme 98 M7. I guess the Jeff Hall bats are also Mayhems.

K2 is the owner of Miken and Worth.
Jan. 8, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
Jim16:
I have read your posts over the past month (as I have the posts of others) and couldn't help but notice your keen interest in anything related to the Senior Combat.

It is fair for me to presume that you have a financial 'ax to grind'?

Also, you have used the phrase 'fess up' in suggesting that someone used less than full disclosure when speaking of his Combat's usage. I've heard of guys using hammers on their Freaks but why would someone need to do so on a Combat (rhetorical question)? I bought two of them and they broke in rather quickly.
Lastly, this 'fess up' posture? Have you always been a proponent of FULL DISCLOSURE? ... I'm just a little curious.

Incidentally, we played in an SSWC event this past weekend (Menifee, CA) and no one on our team used his Combat. In our five games, I only saw two opponents use them. I saw a couple of guys using the Easton CNT as well. I don't know what this really means but I believe it implies that most guys still prefer the U2 when allowed to use them. The same could be said for the SSWC event in LV (Nov -06).

Bob Woodroof
Jan. 8, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
I can only go my by my experience, my Combat has held up very well doesn't get used in BP, I have converted completely to the Combat and the UII's I have a 28 with alot of use and a 27 with 25 swings are shelved. Eventually I'll run into someone at the park and hopefully swap the UII's for additional combats or ebay here I come. At some point it is the Indian not the arrow though. The best saying I have ever heard about a great hitter I once knew was that he could outhit you hitting a cherry tomato using a celery stick against your choice of balls and bats.
Jan. 8, 2007
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Woody,
Glad to hear your still verticle and sassy.
Both are good signs.
I don't get anything for saying this
but I prefer my 28 oz EL Combat
to my 30 oz. Ultra 2 for feel and distance.
The Combat took over 300 swings to get there.
I cracked 2 Combats since then
hitting heavy and wet balls.
I still bought another one
to back up the first one.
Mickey Hughes was in that tournament you were in,
in Menifee, correct?
He's a monster and we'll be teammates on Kelly's this year.
What do you think of the oost to combine the 50 and 55's
in the Nationals this year?
Jan. 9, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
Einstein, reports of my demise were premature.
I have actually bought 3 Combats... sold one of them as I didn't feel good with an EL... bought 2 balanced versions thereafter. I like them a lot but I used an U2 in Menifee. I have been an outspoken critic of Miken, and still am, but it was the U2 that the overwhelming majority used, not the Combat. If the senior assns were to ban the U2 but allow the Combat I would expect to see a boatload of them being used. I agree that the Combat is more durable.
Mickey Hughes played with Kelly's in LV in November and with Evolution in Menifee. Good guy, good player.
We have played in many 50 events over the past 3-4 years (we're a 55 team) and felt that this helped us to better prepare for the 55 nationals. We obviously have aged each year and it has become more difficult to compete. GSF will still play in some 50 events along the way but we expect to play in 55 events for the nationals. This is one reason (there were others, too) that we were so disappointed in Salem last season (USSSA). As you may know, we didn't know until 48 hours prior to our first game that we were the only 55 team there.
We'll stick with the ASSNs that have a proven track record of attracting quality teams to their nationals. There is too much time, effort and money at stake for us to ignore the past.
Jan. 9, 2007
E. Ness
122 posts
How a report about the Wood demise got out is beyond me. It is my job to keep him safe (As well as everyone else) and I am very good at my job.:)

I think once players start to trust the senior Combat more then you will see them. I know it is hard to get guys to put down the U2.
Jan. 9, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Bob (the Wood), we played 55 in the ISA Nationals in St. Louis last summer. When we found only one other 55 Major Plus team there we were told the the rest were playing that same weekend at the USSSA Nationals in Oregon. I guess we were told wrong.
Jan. 9, 2007
jim16
Men's 65
169 posts
Yes, Bob, I have a financial interest in the Anaconda Senior Combat. You already know that. I have no "Ax to grind". When someone comes on a public forum and criticizes a product unjustly, I speak up. I also have a financial interest in the Ultra II. These are the two greatest bats ever made. Look almost anywhere on the net and you'll see my name and company along side the Miken name. If you attended the managers meetings in Seattle or Plano you must have noticed that I was there representing both of these companies. I walked all over the parks with these bats on my shoulder, its no secret. I am honored that these companies allow me to represent them. I sell the best and quite frankly any senior player not using the UII or Anaconda senior combat is at a disadvantage. I have offered these bats to the senior player and saved them a lot of money.
Now to the point. I have given JR, the originator of this post, a chance to set the record straight. He is a great guy and a very good customer. He will get anything he wants from me as I value his character and his business. It just so happens that he used a rubber mallet in trying to break this bat in. When someone abuses my product and then posts in public negatively I have to defend the product. I say it once more. My whole team has used the Combat and to my knowledge, not one has broken. I demand they break the bat in properly and not abuse it.
I was not in Menefee. I cant' say how many players used the combat. I do know that the Top Gun 60 team is swinging quite a few of them. I personally have sold 13 of them just to that team over the past 3 months. When a player buys the UII they know exactly what they a buying, a great bat. When they try out a combat they are gambling because they don't yet know the bat. They are finding out it is just as good as the UII. Having two bats to choose from is good for senior ball. Both companies support this board substantially. I am honored to have a financial interest in both of these companies.
Jan. 10, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
Jim, you're asking me to take your word for it on some things, i ask the same of you. There were maybe two guys using Combats in Menifee. I didn't see the 60 guys play as they were at a different park. But surely some of them noticed how many Combats were used in lieu of U2s.
We have maybe 5 Combats on our team... none of them were used. The same was true in LV two months ago.
Not every bat that is sold actually finds its way into a game. I do not argue that they are both great bats.
You didn't respond to my query on the 'fess up' part. Do you feel that this is a good posture for ALL of us to take? On ALL matters of importance? Or only on certain things?
BW
Jan. 11, 2007
JWIG
Men's 50
12 posts
Let me hear your taste on the anaconda trying to decide .
Jan. 11, 2007
jim16
Men's 65
169 posts
E.Ness, Great post. There are many more UII's out there than Senior combats. And as I previously posted, you know exactly what you are getting when you buy an Ultra II (the greatest bat ever made) but guys are learning about the Senior combat. Its really hard to put down an ultra II. These are the two best bats ever, I'm blessed, I represent both.
Bob, I have to admit, I'm a little confused. You were the one at Russell Road complex in Seatlle telling everyone how you hated the Ultra II because your team had just broken 3 of them in one the batting practice session that just concluded. I was walking around selling them and praising them and you were super critical. You weren't just trying to hurt my sales were you? You seem to be on the other side of the fence now.
Yesterday I had a call from a guy who lives in Menifee, he found me on ebay and bought an Anaconda Senior Combat. He bought it because he had seen so many of them at the tournament and got great reviews from the owners.
"Ax to grind?" The guy who started this post has been pretty silent.
Bob, Its ridiculous to compare a CNT or any ASA approved bat to an Ultra II or Anaconda Senior Combat. If someone is serious about using one he is probably left handed, going to bunt and run one out.
I will never post on a public forum with the intent to hurt someones business with inuendo and malice. If someone does that I will stand up for them and certainly I will do it for me. Bob, I will do it for you.
"Full disclosure?" I dont think anyone on this board or any board will give FULL disclosure about anything. I haven't named others because it isn't my position. I have invited others to "fess up". I can't force them but I am on the record as to what was done. Is there something else you want me to disclose? If you are talking about doctoring bats ....I've never denied it. I have as publicly as possible told everyone..no secret. My former customers are all over this board. I will never...NEVER..disclose who they are!
I am blessed because I represent the best in the business. I will do my best to represent Miken and Anaconda and I believe they are happy with what I do. I think SSUSA is also happy with what I do. I think SPA is also happy with what I do. If they ever ask me to change...Guess what. I will change.
Jim Cary aka seniorsoftballguru 903 297 4878
Jan. 11, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
Jim:
Fessing up - You did it and I'm glad that you did.
CNT/ASA bats v. U2/Combat - Either your reading comprehension sucks or you're intentionally mixing in a smoke screen. Regardless, I wasn't comparing them. Go back and read my posts if you need further proof.
Cracked U2s in Seattle - You are absolutely correct in that I did state that. However, this isn't relevant to my point, which is simply this... I saw roughly 25 U2s for every Combat in Menifee and an even greater disparity in LV last November. I have been and still am a critic of Miken as a company... for reasons that are not relevant to this post.
I like both the Combat and the U2... i own 5 of them (2 SC, 3 U2). I do not believe that any ASA bats compare favorably to them...
I do not care how many legal bats you sell. I hope that you sell as many as you can. I do have a problem with folks selling illegal ones... i'm not alone on the latter point if you believe all of the posts about this matter (2-3 months ago)... and I do believe them.
Most of what i'm stating in this post is a reiteration of my previous posts but, for whatever reason, you missed it. So do us each a favor and stop trying to put your words in my mouth.
Bob Woodroof
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