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Discussion: TOC Tourney Ideas-Increase the Field

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Feb. 27, 2007
Gary Heifner
248 posts
TOC Tourney Ideas-Increase the Field
My team just competed in the TOC and had the good fortune to have a large field of 9 teams in the 60AA. I had bad feelings prior to the tourney that some of the age groups would have a low turnout. It was a great tourney. However, maybe the SSWC should do whatever it takes to get at least "8" teams in each bracket. If a champ can't make it, extend an offer to the 2nd place team. If a team wins the triple crown, there might be some 2nd place teams that would come. I know they weren't the champs, but if you can weave your way through a 20 or 25 team field and take 2nd in a national, you are of championship caliber. It would make for fair and equal competition.

P>S> the banquet on Friday was great!!!!!!
Feb. 28, 2007
SunBum
10 posts
GaryH - I don't agree with trying to get as many teams as possible into the ToC by taking some 2nd place teams. I do agree that having more teams is better, but there were plenty more from the invited list that could have come. Maybe once those teams find out how special last weekend was, they'll make it a point to accept the invitation next year. I think it should stay as winners only so it is a true ToC.

Gary19 - The last time I can remember ssusa having that large of brackets was in the worlds in Phoenix a couple years ago. I think there were several brackets that were in the 25 team range. And the year before in LV, we were in a 34 team bracket.
Feb. 28, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
One of the problems is that there are too many tournaments. There is almost one every week. How many tournaments can a team go to. The team I play for was invited for the TOC but I have 10 tournaments already scheduled and being from the Northeast not many players are ready to play in Feb. That is a lot of traveling and money.
Feb. 28, 2007
SunBum
10 posts
I agree Fred. There are a lot to choose from and only so many a team can do. Based on what we enjoyed last weekend, if your team is invited for next year, this is a must-go. It was an amazing 3 days. Great prizes for everyone, not just the winners, perfect weather, a really first class dinner on Friday night with over 2,000 people there, the best umpires we've ever had as a group and nice facilities. Decisions on which tournaments to go to would be very hard if they were all like this one was. If we get lucky this year and win an invite, we're going back for sure and hope we see you there.
Feb. 28, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I will hear all about it tomorrow. One of the players on the Bay State Bombers who won in their 55+ div plays for me so he will fill me in. Will have to talk to mgr of team when we meet for our first tournament in Apr. All the 75+ teams have an open invitiation to go to the TOC. I would have loved to gone to play against a friend of mine who, I play with, who plays for the Mitchell 75's.
Feb. 28, 2007
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
how about inviting the east coast teams that won ISF,ISSA and ASA tournaments...i guess east coast players aren't worthy
Feb. 28, 2007
hornachec
Men's 55
50 posts
Bernie:
Of the 12 tournaments to get an invite to the TOC, six of them are held east of the Mississippi. Why not enter those tournaments
Feb. 28, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Fred I happened to be at the same hotel as the Bay State Bombers they seemed pretty content and happy with the win and hanging out poolside. Nice bunch of gentlemen.
March 1, 2007
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
Hornachec. We live in New Jersey, not a tournament held within 600 miles of us that the winner was allowed to compete in this tournament. If ASA, ISSA and ISF are all part of the senior summit, how come none of their champions were allowed to compete or even be invited. All of these tournaments were held on the East Coast...Seems like the teams with limited resources who choose these tournaments on the east coast should at least be rewarded for thier efforts. Why exclude them, especially when some divisions could have used more competition. Look at how many teams from the northeast were in this tourney, especially when it was an easy and inexpensive trip from the northeast....not many....can anyone give me an answer that makes sense?
March 1, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
bernie- This was a ssusa tournament, and not a summit tournament. ssusa put it on for their champions. hornachec is right about you having to play in the ssusa tournaments to get invited to the ssusa ToC. There are 12 tournaments that can get you into the ToC next year, and half of them are in the east and half are in the west. Why would ssusa invite teams that play in other organization tournaments? bernie, there were three teams from New Jersey that played in the ToC, 2 from Mass., 1 from Delaware, 1 from New York, 1 from Rhode Island. In fact, I think over half of all of the teams in the ToC were from the east. If you want to play in this top of the line tournament, maybe you need to play in ssusa tournaments during the year and see if you can get there by winning one of them. No one is being excluded. If you want to play in the best championships, maybe it's time for your team to start playing in the best organization. Right now, that's ssusa.
March 2, 2007
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
Thanks for clearing this up guys. We are young pups and have to learn the ropes the hard way i guess....hope to see you guys somewhere close to NJ this year...thanks
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