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Discussion: Fix the TOC

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April 26, 2007
hornachec
Men's 55
50 posts
Fix the TOC
It's time to fix the TOC
First move the dates of the tourney to late November / early December.
The Winter worlds / nationals and SW championship in Touson (which use next years roster) should be included in the NEXT years TOC. The Steve Imlay mess would never of happened.
Also by moving the tournament to the end of that calendar year would decrease the number of pick up players needed. A lot of players move to new age groups or new teams after the season ends.
Would this affect the winter and touson tourneys? Maybe, one or two teams ... How about moving winter world /national actually to winter. The only team that would be pinched to get good rates to the site would be team that one the world championship, if they hadn't won a berth at one of the other qualifiers.
To me these ideas seem reasonable, would like to here your thoughts
April 26, 2007
hornachec
Men's 55
50 posts
my appologies to those in Tucson for the misspelling of the cities name!
April 26, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
I think that it would make more sense to hold the TOC in October, November or December.
I would also think that past winners should be invited to participate.
April 27, 2007
huff17
13 posts
I think the previous years winners coming (with only the exact same team) is a brilliant idea - and makes complete sense - not sure complete sense enters into thinking on this - and for anyone that would argue about it at least the teams would be one year older and slower
April 27, 2007
face
Men's 50
23 posts
I agree with moving the TOC to November/December. You could almost switch. This whole TOC idea seems to be well received though. I also agree that it may be easier to have the same team that qualified actually be the team that competes at the TOC without having to make roster changes.
April 27, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Just thought I would make a few comments on the TOC since I live near Tucson and some of the ideas would have that tournament being moved somewhere else on the calendar. The big thing with moving tournaments around has to do with other events for both ssusa and other associations. I suppose ssusa could shuffle some of their tournaments around, but I think here in Tucson they have a several year contract for that time slot in December. I'm pretty sure the other events probably have contract dates too. Although it might be a good idea, I wouldn't get anyone's hopes up for at least a few years if I'm right about that stuff.

As for the past winners being invited back, not a good idea. The first TOC had teams from as far back as the Winters in 2005, and yep, some roster issues were pretty strange. But this year, only the winners from actual 2007 events get invited. And the TOC is only about 6 weeks or so after the end of the year. For those of us that get to play year round, it's just another opportunity on the calendar. I know it's not like that in colder areas, but it's pretty good where it is for us. Now if we could just win something that gets us in! The people I've talked to from AZ that went last year all said it was the best tournament they had ever played in. So maybe it's not broken and doesn't need to be fixed too much.
April 27, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
DesertGuy, you didn't explain why last year's TOC winner shouldn't be invited. SSUSA should oversee any roster "changes" so I don't see why there shouldn't be another competitive team should be invited.
April 27, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Bruce- On inviting the defending champs back for the TOC, I just think for this time around only it doesn't make sense. I'd have to go look and see who actually won this year, but it's possible that you could have a team in the 2008 TOC that is using a November 2005 roster. I just think that's too far back for any chance at not having more instead of less roster problems. Since you're from Goergia, I saw where the Masters went back to the "win and you're in" deal for anyone that wins a PGA event in the year from the end of this Masters until the week before next year's. Maybe if it's good enough for the masters, ssusa might do it too. Who knows? I don't think it's a bad idea, not many of yours are. But it seems like it's possible for a team to be playing with a roster from over 2 years ago and that's not good as I see it.
April 27, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
We won the 55 Major Plus. Our roster isn't expected to change much, if any.
April 30, 2007
OREO
Men's 60
88 posts
IN NOVEMBER 06 WE WON THE VEGAS WINTER
WORLDS, WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THE 2007
TOC WE & ONLY ONE OTHER 60+AAA TEAM WERE
WILLING TO GO. RATHER THAN SPEND THAT KIND
OF MONEY TO HAVE A TOURNAMENT OF "2" WE
OPTED NOT TO GO. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES
SHOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE NEXT TOC?
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