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Discussion: Run Through

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June 8, 2004
FleetFeet63
2 posts
Run Through
Why doesn‚t SSUSA adopt the Run Thru Rule? Many of the CA tournaments have the Run Thru for safety reasons. Most of us do not want to risk injuring a leg, knee or ankle sliding nor do we want to pull muscles pulling up going into a base. Run Thru is a good way to avoid collisions at the bases. We observed a couple of collisions in the Reno qualifier this past week resulting from no Run Thru. Fortunately there were no injuries but∑ Will SSUSA Consider the Run Thru? Any others feel like we do; in favor of Run Thru?
June 8, 2004
Bat-Heater
Men's 50
64 posts
I would not be favour of a run-through rule for the 50/55 age group. I like the rule the way it is. I prefer running the bags, being agressive & sliding. Having a force play on each bag takes the agreesive running out of the game...in my opinion.
June 8, 2004
dannydan
43 posts
but it is not a force play if there are no runners on, you still have to be taged
June 8, 2004
dannydan
43 posts
and if runners are on it is still a force, with or without the run through run
June 8, 2004
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
415 posts
We play with the run through rule in our league. I've seen many collisions and near collisions because inept players can't get out of the way, and, with the run through rule, the runner is going full speed. I'll take my chances sliding, thank you. Sure we're seniors, but you can water down the game to the point that it's not fun anymore.
June 8, 2004
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
here in is the problem for run thru,u the fielder tags the guy your arm is injured as the runner goes thru your arm,also u are more apt to get hit with a throw ball also do u touch the bag or run by it than we have to rely on an ump to make a call.i play ncssa and do not like that rule.most of the time with collsions the runner doesn't have a clue as to were he's running or the fielder is in a bad place. with the slide rule the runner knows exactly where he has to go, the bag.
June 8, 2004
Robert
Men's 50
64 posts
They use the run through rule in a weekend league that I play on and thats where it should stay. When I play tournament ball I look forward to the competion and the way the game was meant to be played, besides I play outfield and it's hard enough already to throw people out. Just my 2cents. Bob
June 10, 2004
FleetFeet63
2 posts
Hey guys, so far mainly 50/55's have responded and I'd like to hear from 60/65's too.

to respond to a couple of comments;
1) can be as aggressive on base paths as you want with run thru without worry about sliding and collision.
2) normally have a three feet to either side of the base to run thru so don't have to go directly to base. Most experienced players know which side to run on. Normally with throw coming from right side of field one would go to the inside 3 foot line at 2nd base and so forth.
3) We use either the phantom tag or force out depending on the rule of the tournament so you don't have to woory about having arm bent/injured trying to tag a runner.
4) the 60's and 65's i know like the run thru rule.
Lets hear from some of them too.

"try it you'll like it"

Keep runnin
June 10, 2004
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
597 posts
I have never been involved anywhere that used this rule but have heard about it. It might be fine from a players' perspective, but I would imagine that it just is one more problem situation to an umpire. Just like at first base, I can imagine that there are problems from the players on making the determination on whether they are just running through, pass the bag because they think that they are out, or are advancing to third. Then you take an umpire who is not familiar with seniors, and who knows what the call might be. Our rules seem foreign to many umpires. I just remind them that it is just like regular softball except... and to be kind because every at bat could be our last. We had such an umpire last year, and it really upset us which is why I do everything that I can to make sure that this never happens here.
June 10, 2004
Airbosn
Men's 65
319 posts
This 60 year old doesnot like the run through rule, I don't even like the separate home plate.
June 10, 2004
samcat
5 posts
We play the Run through in our weekly Thurs. Rec. league and it works out well as most of us use the league to active for tournaments and it works out fine as everyone takes pains to avoid any kind of contact. However we had a player actually break his arm while applying a tag at third base in a tournament using the run through rule. I had a guy running at full speed one time literally knock the ball out of my glove with his knee while playing second base and sending it pretty much back to the left fielder that threw it. The way I see this is that nobody has to run to the next base and nobody has to slide. It's up to the player to decide if he is going to slide. I'm not saying I,m one who is a gung ho sliding type and heck I get my share of courtesy runners. I pick my spots. Western Nationals, US Nationals, Worlds, most of the Vegas Tourney's and other big tourneys. (If my teamates see this they'll say this is BS. Ha Ha!)Otherwise I ain't killing myself. I say keep those who love it slidin'. It's definitely a reward for those who have those skill and is fair to me.
June 11, 2004
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I play in a 60+ weekday league and we use the run thru with strong wording in our rules that the runner has to avoid the fielder to avoid collisions. But because the run thru gives the advantage to runner because he dosen't have slow down to go by the bag on a close play, we put the penalty in our rules that you can't advance to the next base if you overrun the base.

It has worked pretty well over the last 3 years.
Aug. 2, 2005
crayzrj
Men's 55
3 posts
month of july, concord tourney i was knocked down by a throw from home to third, struck the side of my face in the middle of my cheek (fortunately) and knocked me right down on my right shoulder. an inch in any other direction and i'd have been in the emergency room.1 month later my left side teeth are still numb due to probably temp. nerve damage.2 weeks later in seattle crossing home plate the catcher stuck his arm out to catch throw home contacted me and injured his arm.can't say how serious but he looked to be in pain. we need to allow sliding! i've only been playing a few years and i'm the team rabbit, and the only injuries i've seen from sliding are raspberries. also had one second baseman cross my wide runthru path and get decked. all these incidents resulted in no penalty to myself, so it wasn't incompetence or cluelessness on my part. sliding would have eliminated these incidents.
Aug. 3, 2005
crusher
Men's 70
388 posts
For 60+, IMO do not ever put the run-thru rule in.
We had run-thru in Tulsa a few years ago and it was very bad. We dumped it.
To much danger with the few that will not respect or do not know how to run to start with.
Plus, it is not fun. IMO.
(Note: Some of our older rec teams do use the run-thru)
Aug. 6, 2005
crayzrj
Men's 55
3 posts
hey, maddog. crayzrj here. i'm guessing that your'e the person i'm going to phoenix with in your r.v.(should i use your name?). your e-mail seems to reference my recent experiences re:run-thru rule. well you know what can happen.p.s. i play on three kids teams in my local league, as well fill-in on two others, and my experiences show me clearly and unequivocally that sliding is the way to go. also faithful to the function and intent of the game. as an unexperienced player i can clearly see that run-thru rule alters the game that most of you have been playing since childhood. of course i guess we could change the name of the game. any suggestions.? softballess, noballs, x-boxball, reallysoftball, falseball, postball etc.thanks,crayzrj. see ya in freemont, hopefully, no word yet.
Aug. 6, 2005
blonde56
25 posts
Please do NOT adopt the run-thru rule in the women's division. I still play regular USSSA womens and upper co-ed and it is bad enough to have the line instead of running to the base. It is just toooo confusing.
Aug. 6, 2005
Gary Heifner
248 posts
To add my opinion: I am playing 60s this year and would like to leave it as is. The split 1st base is great. I really like the 2nd home plate. I really believe running through at full speed opens the door for more serious collisions. Sliding is a skill part of the game and a number of 60s still do it.
Aug. 7, 2005
stever
Men's 65
61 posts
Ask any middle infielder about the run through rule and I think you would find them in total agreement that it is a very bad concept. Run through will get more second basemen and shortstops hurt by collisions and will get runners hit by throws. The difference in the run through at second or third and the second home plate or first base is at second or third the runner is in the field of play and at first and home the runner is (or should be) in foul ground and not where fielders are normally making plays.
Aug. 7, 2005
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2614 posts
We played in three team round robin Saturday and it looked as if one team was used to the "run through" rule. They had a runner on first and a ground ball was hit to our ss. He flipped it to our 2nd baseman for the force at second and as he attempted to throw to first, the upright runner caught him on his right arm. I complained to the umpire that it should have been interference but my appeal was declined. Our 2nd baseman was lucky he wasn't hurt.
I hope we don't adopt the "run through" rule!
Aug. 8, 2005
crusher
Men's 70
388 posts
BruceinGa.
Your reference to what happened to your 2nd baseman is what I refered to in my eariler post. Some runners either do not how to run the bases or delibertly try to (sorta) run over the guy playing his position.
The run-thru (IMO) does not work in competitive play. I play outfield and my through may not be exactly online if someone is running-thru. So, I do not like either side of run-thur. From the runner's side or the defensive side.
Thanks for your post.
C.
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