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Discussion: Sick of these bats !

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July 29, 2007
calpops
32 posts
Sick of these bats !
Over the past four months I have cracked;

2 U2's
1 Combat senior

that's $600 down the drain.
we can put a man on the moon
have a PC in our phone
spy on people from space

can somebody not make a bat that can hit like the two above and last like a normal bat ???
July 30, 2007
Lefty
Men's 65
470 posts
calpops I'm the same way by the time I feel that the Senior Combat is brock in it cracks. I to have cracked 2 U2's and a senior combat. I just order me another U2 yesterday for Dalton. I hope I don't hit know more than 25 times. For it might not make it for the next tourney. What happen to the old U2 when you could hit 525 ball and still last a while.
July 30, 2007
floo56
Men's 50
37 posts
Well gang it appears to be clear that the bat companies do not prioritize durability! This causes money loss. Notice the amount of bats that being purchased due to the no-warranty clause. Aloha, Fabe
July 30, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
They do not even need a clause. As an example, look at the new Worth Launch 510, it's a NR bat.
Sales turn over, numbers = $.
July 30, 2007
calpops
32 posts
So what if a company could or did buy a bat that hit like the U2 but lasted like a normal bat and priced the same. Would we buy it ? Would the company go broke because the bat lasted and we would not have to buy two or three a year. Is this the point that bat companies can make such a bat but will not because of the repeat sales.
July 30, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
1. The company would just come out with another of the same thing with different graphics.... more sales for same bat only retooling is for graphics
2. There would just be another ASA ban where the young guys would be concerned.

Kinda like cars, and suv's, most all (same size) have same everything, except tail lights and front end grills & lights.
Goes for american and foreign.
They could build it,m a more durable and yet equally as good as a U-2, but why, Were addicted, to getting the best which ever one it may be, and there is no 12 step to guit.
July 31, 2007
batwise
35 posts
Oh ye of little faith. Fear not my brethren of senior softball for I have heard from the prophet of the holy bat that your prayers will be answered this fall.
July 31, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
You and I must be hearing the same voice.
July 31, 2007
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Apparently an Urban Legend from Arizona.
July 31, 2007
batwise
35 posts
No. go east young man.....
July 31, 2007
Gary Heifner
248 posts
Just an observation. I bought 3 years ago. It took me 3 years to break my 1st U2. The other two easily have well over a 1000 hits on each. They are 29 oz. We have several 30s on our team that are still going strong after many years. The 27s and 28s are the ones that seem to break most. Now, I did buy a combat original this year for league games and batting practice. The two U2s I have left are now only used in SSWC games. If we are in a prelim game that means nothing, I will swing the Combat. Some will say they are too heavy. My team plays in the 60 division and about 1/2 the guys use and swing the heavier bats pretty well.
July 31, 2007
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Rip-it guys.
The Yellow Senior bat is a monster
and will last over 1000 swings if not abused.
The best bat for the dollar and durability
out there and looks like it's about to make it's way into legality in NorCal.
July 31, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
Very intrigued why NorCal will it be in the local senior league up there if so I'm jealous. I cracked mine finally but lost track of the swings. Is this possibly a test market for them. BP on Youtube with this bat would make an interesting video. Another question will the NorCal experience be shared with the associations. Good Luck its a great bat.
Aug. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Joe,
If by 1. you mean the original yellow Rip-it and 2. if the reference to nor cal, you mean ncssa, they alread banned the original yellow.
The other Yellow Rip-it makes is a fast pitch bat and marked as such. I don't think using a FP bat is legal in SP. Correct me if wrong.
About the only place i know if to use the original is for BP.
I have one sitting around now like other guys do.
Aug. 1, 2007
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
First,
Independent testing from Dr. Brandt showed that
the Yellow Rip-it Senior bat 26 oz passes the 1.2 BPF standard, straight up.
And an Ultra 2 off the rack tested exactly as the Yellow Rip-it Senior did
and that was .005 higher than the norm.
Common sense says that the Yellow Rip-it 28 is as hot as the Ultra 2
and I can tell you it will last 10 to 20 times longer.

So, Norcal is currently considering, given common sense and all the evidence, to date,
to allow the Yellow Senior Rip-it bats soon.
Basically, if you allow the Ultra 2, there's really no reason to keep the Rip-it bat and people from competing in the Senior Market.
Why anything less just doesn't seem American.
Aren't we about common sense and fair competition?

Let Rip-it Compete and Seniors will be well served with a bat
that will perform as good and feel better than the Ultra 2 and outlast it
10 to 20 times.
We're all tired of breaking expensive bats like the Ultra 2
that come with no warranty.
No, I take that back.
We're fed up and we're not going to take it, anymore.
Aug. 1, 2007
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sorry, I forgot to say that it was the 28 oz Yellow Rip-it that tested the same as an
off the rack Ultra 2 did, according to independent testing.
This getting old is for the birds.
Aug. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
I agree on all that.
Remember what I mentioned at Don Mellow....
I'd love to be able to use the 26oz I have, & sure others i know who have one would also.
Good ole american sales compeition.
Now if we could just get their (ncssa) web site toallow posting like on here....or at least for teams looking for payers & players looking to play.
Aug. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
For the birds yes, but beats looking up at roots.
Aug. 1, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
EINSTEIN: Joe, my good friend. No more Senior Bats & it's time to get rid of the lite bats; or deaden the Bats or Balls.

When a 17 yr ol' young man that stands 5'-4' & weighs less than 130#'s, can hit a 26 oz M-7/ 5 over 340 ft. That is not softball. Why, would one want or need to have a bat as hot or hotter than the U-2??

A few months ago, I played in a kids event & my team had a few players swing a 28 oz Yellow Rip It. After a few players did use that yellow Rip It, the team said, put that bat back in the bag.

I do not believe that Seniors need the U-2 or the Worth 510, a bat made by Miken (K-2). K-2, owns Miken, Worth, & Rawlings. Corky, a Miken Rep, informed me that Miken makes the 510 for Worth, @ the Miken factory

I have tried 4 several months to get infor on just how hot the SENIOR COMBAT, really is. Does the SENIOR COMBAT, past the ol' ASTM 1890 or the REVISED ASTM 1890?

Has C E, sent their SENIOR COMBAT, in 4 test' to ISA, NSA, or U-TRIP? Will C E, ever?? If, not, then WHY??????

When a player reaches 40 yrs ol', do we or they need the U-2, WORTH's 510, SENIOR COMBAT, & the Yellow RIP-IT??? I hope NOT?

Please, no more hot BATS, that will not pass the REVISED ASTM 1890 standards.

JUST MY STUPID THOUGHTS....The STONEMAN..
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Steve,
I had a long chat with one company rep last month and was told that some assns are able to use slightly different testings standards to pass for that particular assn. Be it 1.20 BPF or another.
I don't think it that we must have these bats but rather a sence of having the best equipment available to use. Perhaps when you get our age, (don't think your up there yet) you may mave a slightly different look at it.
It is a good feeling to hit it out though, just like any other safe hit.
Even in pro baseball, alot of players are going to lighter shorter bats (Popular Science June -07) If I remember the article on Anatomy of a Swing correctly. Read it.
Aug. 2, 2007
SB_Senior
Men's 50
3 posts
STONEMAN,
Aug. 2, 2007
SB_Senior
Men's 50
3 posts
STONEMAN,

I think the point EINSTEIN is trying to make is that adding the yellow ripit would simply give players a more durable choice amongst the bats that are already legal. If it is in fact true that the yellow ripit tested the same as the Ultra II them I see no reason why it should not be legal.

The U2 and the new Worth bat (both from K2) have horrible durability, and they can simply get away with it because there is no competition in the market that forces them to make a better bat. The Combat is a little better but still lacks the durability someone should get when spending $200 on a bat.

I have not swung a yellow ripit, but from what I hear it is a much better bat in terms of durability. If this bat was legalized, one would have to assume that Miken, Worth, and Combat would have to step up to the plate and make a more durable bat. Since we are the ones spending $1000 a season on bats I am certainly in favor of allowing the ripit so it raises the bar.
Aug. 2, 2007
Elmo
Men's 50
69 posts
Stoneman, Not long ago I played in a kids tournament and could not use an ultra2 or any senior bat. What bothered me was none of the bats they used were legal. They were all altered in one way or another. I'm not sure that any of the teams in the tournament had legal bats. My queation is how far is far enough? I asked one guy and he said he likes the reaction of the fans when it goes 350+. My point is a homerun is a homerun if it barely goes out or has something changed.
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Elmo,
You got that right. Just look at what selling on ebay. New bats that weren't even in most dealers ships yet were being sold juiced. Many different makes & models. Also the serviced to do them as well as the equipment.
Although most Forum boards "banned" the posting for these there are still some that post using different phrases and all. Here we primarily have ASA & WSA but their in those as well. Umps don't come close to do any checking.
Seems kinda strange to look at a bat rack or where ever the bats players are going to us are, but only see 1-3 of perhaps 12 bats actually being used. Wonder why.
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Gary19,
Not sure about other teams supporters out there, (fans, if you will) but the team I play for is fortunate (as I see it) to have 7-8 wifes attend their better halves or boy friends games for the weekend. I see about that many in alot of the tournaments I attend, where the other teams players "fans" also come. I think it's great.
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
G19,
Your right on being different in so many ways.
I think the thrill is really negated by the how it came about, too bad those awed fans didn't know about it. Their might be Boo's instead.
Aug. 2, 2007
Elmo
Men's 50
69 posts
Taits, My wife is my biggest fan and the only one I need to impress. But, we always have a good showing from wives and girlfriends. As far as fan base goes softball at any age is not what it use to be. But senior softball is growing every year. That's because the largest group of players came from the 60's and 70's. I remember when Albany georgia had 350 total teams in the 70's. This year they had 10. Kids just have more to do than play ball.
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
G19,
If you don'y take you own pride, integrity or respect seriously what do you have, not much.
Have you taken the time to watch players where drimking is allowed. I have. That goes on. Especially in a younger atmosphered bar.
A slam dunk using a trampoline, you must be a small person... short... lol, only kidding.
I probably couldn't do it using a ladder. Don't care for the game.
Aug. 2, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
I'm not sure where you guys have been playing but the guys I see do take a lot of pride in their game. This is true in the one league (senior league) and all of the tournaments that I attend.
Most of our players wouldn't care if the U2 was banned. We would be happy to use whatever bat is legal. However, as long as it is legal and the opponents are using it, we will use it. Still, we have a few guys that don't use it and instead use the Senior Combat or original Synergy. This can be said of our opponents as well (our senior league only allows single wall, one piece, non-composite bats.)
As an infielder, I could get to more plays if we didn't use the U2 (or similar bats) and this would surely please me.
Our guys take great pride in their fielding as well as their hitting. Again, our opponents do as well.
If this were not so, we wouldn't be going to MN to play ASA rules... nor would CT, MTC or Grimes.
I believe that most seniors would be just as happy with any bat as long as the other team was in the same boat. Along with this thought is the type of ball, too. If the bats are downgraded, we'd prefer better balls. Quite frankly, I'd be happy to use a Redline full time (or the like)... but I'm not interested in being the lone pioneer.
Bob Woodroof
Aug. 2, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
Wood nice post. question when you go non UII do you find it a refreshing change I know I do. Recently I hadn't played either young or young league and got used to the senior equipment. I decided to start up league (young) and promptly went 1-6 (ASA). I spent the next two weeks in BP without senior and had a good followup league nite. My next senior event I felt I hit the ball much crisper also. The senior stuff lulled me to sleep a bit. I'm with you whatever everyone else is using fine by me.
Aug. 2, 2007
the wood
1076 posts
Lecak:
I do find it a refreshing change as long as we don't use socks for balls. Yes, I take BP with an ASA bat several times before an ASA event. The biggest change for me is that I can take more than one step and actually get to a ball (on defense).
Another up side is that I'm not as concerned about the effect of the flight on my bats... and bats will just last longer. I've used the same bat in the senior league for 2 years now.
Yes, I lull myself, too, with the U2 at times. It isn't the tool, it's the carpenter. :-)
Aug. 2, 2007
Cognac Lite
Men's 50
32 posts
Wood, I love your last sentence. I just figured I would throw my 2 cents in about the bats. I started playing senior softball regularly last year. Until this season, I used a yellow Synergy. I loved it. Had I not broken, it is very likely that I would still be using it. I now swing a Combat; it's hot! I also swing a Jeff Hall Mayhem, and I like that bat too.

Therefore, I must agree with your last sentence. I would like to say it another way, if you will allow me to do. A hammer is only as good as the carpenter.

For all of you who are questioning the usage of different bats, I have one question for you. WOULD YOU GO TO A GUN FIGHT WITH A KNIFE? If so, you would be dead meat.
Aug. 2, 2007
Cognac Lite
Men's 50
32 posts
Wood, I love your last sentence. I just figured I would throw my 2 cents in about the bats. I started playing senior softball regularly last year. Until this season, I used a yellow Synergy. I loved it. Had I not broken, it is very likely that I would still be using it. I now swing a Combat; it's hot! I also swing a Jeff Hall Mayhem, and I like that bat too.

Therefore, I must agree with your last sentence. I would like to say it another way, if you will allow me to do. A hammer is only as good as the carpenter.

For all of you who are questioning the usage of different bats, I have one question for you. WOULD YOU GO TO A GUN FIGHT WITH A KNIFE? It's about parity.
Aug. 2, 2007
J R
180 posts
guys i bougt the yellow rip it elite 26 oz slowpitch bat it is what they say it is.it has great pop,i went to a batting cage,and the dimple balls did not make a mark on it. the bat weighs 25.5 ounces,perfect balance,good bat
Aug. 2, 2007
Bomber23
47 posts
Einstein
Does the Rip-It Yellow come in a heavier weight
than 28Oz
Aug. 2, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Yellow Elete 26 & 28oz only
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