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Discussion: SPA Nationals in Dalton,Ga

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Aug. 21, 2007
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
SPA Nationals in Dalton,Ga
Hey Folks, hope everyone has had a great summer of softball. I was just wondering who will be in Dalton for the AA and AAA nationals. This will be my first time, so I am just like a little kid in a candy store. Hope my little AA team can stay around for more than 2 in the double elim. Take care and God bless. Scrap Iron Steve from Alabama
Aug. 21, 2007
JTS2
Men's 55
88 posts
I know from Louisville the teams coming are Ol' Skool, 50AAA, Jim & Joes 50AAA, Zepplin 50AA
Aug. 21, 2007
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
team texas will try to do something there(55 AAA),anyone know how far calhoun(sp) is from dalton.
Aug. 21, 2007
Secret
Men's 60
34 posts
Second Chances of Orlando will be in Dalton for the 60 AAA. Good luck to all.
Aug. 21, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2650 posts
Calhoun is 25 miles south on I75.
Aug. 21, 2007
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
419 posts
Teeters of Arkansas will be there in 60AAA.
Aug. 22, 2007
cpope
Men's 60
160 posts
TT, I will be there with Second Chances, It will finally be good to meet you, Bruce are you all going up, or to Burlington. If so see you there.. Anne will make Burlington but not Dalton. We still plan to get up this year.
Aug. 22, 2007
cpope
Men's 60
160 posts
TT, I will be there with Second Chances, It will finally be good to meet you, Bruce are you all going up, or to Burlington. If so see you there.. Anne will make Burlington but not Dalton. We still plan to get up this year.
Aug. 22, 2007
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
419 posts
Charlie,

I'm number 14 with Teeters. Looks like we might get a chance to play against your guys. Looking forward to meeting you.
Aug. 22, 2007
DB24
Men's 50
6 posts
I'm coming with ''Southwest Fl. Softball Club'',50AAA.
Good luck to all. Darrell B.
Aug. 22, 2007
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Comig form Jeffersonville, Ind 60AA--will there be any
other AA teams-- do not want to lose by the run rule
because we had to play AAA and Majors
Wes
Aug. 22, 2007
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
419 posts
Wes,

I'm pretty sure the Dallas Spurs are coming in 60AA.
Aug. 22, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2650 posts
Charlie, I may drive up to Dalton on Saturday, just to watch a few games.
I'll be in Burlington with RT. I'll see you there.
Aug. 22, 2007
Boog34
Men's 50
21 posts
Bagbey's 50 AAA from Iowa will be playing in Dalton.
Aug. 22, 2007
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
The Chicago ATP's 60AA will be there
Aug. 22, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2650 posts
Dalton is hosting the ISA Southern Nationals the weekend. I just talked to an old friend and he was just raving about the great fields. I hear the fences are 8' high and 310'.
Here is a link to the forum:
http://www.softballfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349407
Aug. 22, 2007
rabbit
Men's 65
297 posts
The Indiana Classics will be there for the 8 th time in the SPA Nationals, this should be the toughest 50 AAA in years , I know Kayson's Grille, and Monster Softball will be there also, and Southpaw, the Scrap Irons are a very good team, the way you played in Boaz, you should have no trouble getting to Sunday in the AA, and you should win it Good luck to all, looking forward to playing some great games and teams, Rabbit, coach of the Indiana Classics 50 AAA.
Aug. 22, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Why is there a 55 Major team playing in the 50AAA bracket? That's crap!!!! They should have gone to KC
Aug. 22, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Sorry forgot to sign it.
Steve George #19
Kaysons Grille 50AAA
Aug. 22, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Hi Rabbit,

You are correct the tournament will be very competitive with a bunch of good teams there. We don't need to be playing a 55 major team though. They need to get them out of there and give them their money back.

Steve George
#19 Kaysons Grille
Aug. 23, 2007
JTS2
Men's 55
88 posts
I have said this all year. They are opening a can of worms when they start letting teams play down in age and classification. If a 55 major team wins the 50 AAA world do they get bumped up to 50 major or 55 major plus. This is crazy. Teams should have to play the same classification whether they play 50 or 55. The reason we bump teams up is to get more teams in the upper classification. Allowing teams to drop defeats this reason. Again it is all about money. If I can't play I won't come.
Aug. 23, 2007
SAG
83 posts
I could be wrong on this but I think Jim and Joes is classified as a 55 major team. They already qualified for the Tournament of Champions this year as a 55 major team and I also know they won the SPA Nationals last year as a 55AAA team. Why are they playing in our 50AAA SPA Nationals?
Again if I have this wrong I'm sorry for wasting everyones time.

Steve George
#19 kaysons Grille 50AAA
Aug. 23, 2007
Tater50
336 posts
JTS2; SAG:
I think you are correct, but I looked on the SPA board & I do not see anything posted there in reference to this.

Just a suggestion Steve: do as I did in 05' when we got crooked on the Snowbird issue, I saw a need for a change & got others to email a business like eeeeeeee to SPA to get that rule totally revised.

I feel you should get some eeeees together & bombard SPA with your complaints before you get to Dalton. It is time to do something before the tourney starts, not at the tourney. If this team has won the AAA crown & the majority of their players are still on the team, then they should've moved up.

Hope you get some responses, but I would post this on the SPA Board & get players to respond to Ridge via eee or phone.


Just my .02 worth

Tater50
John W. "Tater" Hayes
Aug. 23, 2007
LADYICE
Men's 55
6 posts
If I am not mistaken, Jim & Joes out of Louisville are rated 50 AAA as well as 55 Major. Check the National Ratings.
Aug. 23, 2007
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Steve
Kayson's Grille other team that plays 55 are Major team we would have loved to play here at home in Ga. But they told us no way to play down a age group so we when to KC and played.
The same thing happen in the NSA world in ALa the TD review and move the team up where they belong. Hope this works out before the tourney starts for everyone
Don Ward
Aug. 23, 2007
SAG
83 posts
LADYICE

I did look at the ratings and that was how I found out they were 55 major. How can a team be rated a major team and a AAA team? Now I can understand how a team that has won the AAA nationals and then played in several tournaments and they could not compete and definately did not deserve to be a major team. They get dropped back down in the lower classification. It happened recently to the Ind Classics, Metro Stars and Southern Softball. But how can a team that won the SPA Nationals last year and this year plays and wins a 55 major tournament and be qulified for the Tournament of Champions as 55 major and still be allowed to play in the AAA Nationals at the 50 level? Any way you put it it's not right.

Steve George #19
Kaysons Grille
Aug. 23, 2007
Michigan Vet
Men's 55
230 posts
We (Mike Valerio/Pinnacle) played Chicago Classic Blue in the 50+ AAA Eastern nationals, they are also a 55 major team (per the rating list). Luckily the Indiana legends and
our team beat them! But you are right it doesn't seem rigt and does not make any sense??

Chuck #8
Aug. 23, 2007
JTS2
Men's 55
88 posts
Jim & Joes won the ISA 55 major World this year. Does that make them major plus in 55 and AAA in 50? I don't have any problem with teams dropping down in age groups but they should play the same classification.
Aug. 23, 2007
LADYICE
Men's 55
6 posts
The ISA tournament did not have enough Major teams to change any teams classification.
Aug. 23, 2007
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
Our team play's 50 AAA, and I (speaking for myself) won't be very happy if we have to play 50 and 55 Major teams that were moved up to that classification because they won a World or National last year. SSUSA clearly states that any team that wins one of these tournaments are automaticly moved up the following year, for the ENTIRE year. If SPA lets them play down they are contridicting the rules set by SSUSA. Seems to me there are enough 55 teams to have there own tournament as they would be playing each other anyway if allowed to play in the 50's. There are enough 50 AAA teams for that division to be left alone to play for a legitimate title.
Aug. 23, 2007
Buddy # 9
4 posts
Good Luck to Teeters
Texas Transplant Please Tell Don Hanney Hello for me and I said Good Luck - from Buddy # 9
Aug. 23, 2007
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
HEY SAG ,I think your right about it being all about the money. Heard Huffman elec. is going to drop down and play 55 AAA . I feel if a team wants to drop down one age group they need to stay at the same classification ,drop two ages drop one classification. WE played a verry competive 60's team (Bates Chevy) which are a major team ,also played a 55 major (Kaysons ). We lost to both but were in the game against Bates.
Aug. 23, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Mich Vet

I'm not saying they can't be beat and you guys and the Classics are exceptional teams. What about the teams that were AAA and got knocked out of the tournament by a 55 Major team. How do you think teams are going to feel if they get beat by a 55 major or a 60 major team playing down. From what I hear both of these teams are very, very good and are gong to send a lot of good AAA teams home. Teams pay their money to play other 50AAA teams not some Major team that wants to try to win some title in a lower bracket. Huffman Electric is doing the same thing. This is a AAA AAA national not a Major National. That was in KC where they should have gone.

I have an idea let all the teams that are dropping down from Major play each other they can have another Major National in Dalton.

I still have not heard how a team can be rated Major and AAA but in looking at the ranking there are several like that. I really hate making a stink about stuff like this it aways comes back to bite you in the a_ _ in the long run.

Steve George #19 Kaysons Grille
Aug. 23, 2007
bulldawglost
Men's 60
27 posts
Steve: Agree with you but the $$$ talk. Agree with Monty25, if you drop one stay in your classifciation but if you drop two go down one class. Acorss the board there will be several teams given permission to do such. Don't agree with it but back to the $$$.
Aug. 23, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I will be there with Moe's Raiders in the 75 Div. I will be #11.
Aug. 24, 2007
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Hey Rabbit, very nice to have met you in Boaz. Thanks for your very kind and encouraging words. Your team is certainly a very strong team. I was impressed with all of you. What ever the outcome for us, I am really just happy to be in Dalton and be a part of something that is just downright fun. I love to play softball! Good friends, good fellowship, good competition, i believe that is what senior softball is all about. Good luck to all and God bless you. Scrap Iron Steve
Aug. 25, 2007
JOHN BOB
Men's 60
76 posts
I'm turning myself in,being manger of Jim & Joe's I feel like I committed a crime.After our win last year we started looking for tournaments & found out that most in this area are for aa & aaa teams only plus that there are only a few 55 major teams in this part of country.I talked to TD of midwest championships in Champaign,IL & found out there were no 55 major teams entered.So I contacted rating committe about the 50aaa rating.To Ridge's defense he was against it from the begining but they talked & it was approved.We played in Champaign there were 5 teams we placed 2rd.CC Blue has played in at least 4 50aaa tourney's & us the 1 & neither has won one.We did win the ISA 55 aaa/major world last month there were 5 teams 2 were aaa.I'm sure this will be a hot topic this winter & may be changed.I don't know what the answer is maybe for us to play in 55aaa & give 5 runs etc.That may be better for us anyway becase giving up 5 YEARS is a very big equalizer.
Aug. 25, 2007
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
John Bob ,I can see the problem in playing in regular tourneys ,But this is anational championship. Did you try playing in K.C. ?
Aug. 26, 2007
JOHN BOB
Men's 60
76 posts
Monty,
The KC tourney was 3rd weekend in July, weekend after the Champaign tourney. Which we have played in every year. We don't like playing back to back weekends. If we don't play in Champaign, and go to KC, we would have been without two players, plus, would only have played in one tourney, a four team event in Columbus, IN early June that had two 55aaa and two major teams. We finished last and didn't have to give the aaa teams an equalizer. We tried going to Marietta, GA in late June. I talked to tournament director and he only had one 55 major team and I believe one 55aaa. So, we didn't think it was worth going 400 miles for. I wish that SPA major was same weekend as aaa like other organizations, we would play major no problem.
Aug. 26, 2007
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
Thanks John Bob for the info on your situation, I know its hard to schedule tourneys where everyone can make . This is something to think about for the summit guys.
Aug. 26, 2007
rabbit
Men's 65
297 posts
I talked to Ridge on Friday, as of Friday afternoon, he said they had 16 teams in 50 AAA, so this is going to be a great tourney.
And for the 55 Majors playing 50 AAA, he told me they were going a relook at it after this season, they had planned on trying it for one year only to see how it went, he thought the 50 AAA teams could handle thier own againest the 55 Major teams, just because of ages and speed of the players.

Rabbit
Aug. 26, 2007
RonD22
Men's 50
26 posts
Rabbit
Should be a great tournament. I hear that most age brackets have a good number of teams. I am sure your team will do very well. I hope I get the chance to do some of your games. They are always good ones to do. If I do not I hope I get a chance to say hello.
Ron Devlin
Florida Umpire
Aug. 26, 2007
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Rabbit, ,Steve
I think I will call Ridge and see if he will let our team in We are a 55 major team with no where to play
Don Ward
Kayson Grille
55 major team
Aug. 26, 2007
Lefty
Men's 65
470 posts
Does any one know how many 50AA teams are in the tourney. I heard from southpaw around 8. Well it's better than the same teams every time we play. After a while they get to be friends. Which is good but they all know where and how you hit. Fresh teams are good for some good softball. Can't wait.
Aug. 26, 2007
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
Why aren't the 55 Major and the 55 AAA playing their own 55 tournament ? This sounds like a whole lot of Politics and who you know . This tournament is suppose to be 50 AAA, Not 55 & 50 major. If the 55 and 50 Major's wanted to play, they should have gone to K.C. Why are the rules changed for just a few team just because they choose not to go to K.C. Ridge must also feel it should al be O.K. for 55 & 50 major team to pick up 50 AAA players when needed. That is exactly the message he is sending.I thought if you picked up players ,they were suppose to be from the same classification?Just as well throw the classifications down the toilet if these TD's are allowed to make up their rules as these tournaments go along.SPA National's, is not the time to making decision on what he "THOUGHT" might be fair.Did he think maybe if he had made that decision before enteries ,maybe he could have had enough 50 & 55 major teams playing AAA, and the 50 AAA could have played AA?
Aug. 26, 2007
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
Just found a post by BruceinGA dated Sept 2 (last yr). That post discusses SPA and playing down.In a new rule, SPA states you cannot play down from one classification to another in different age groups, SPA was even contacted in regards to that issue and clarrified that they were reading the rule correct.
Aug. 27, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2650 posts
Here is my post from 9/2/06:
"I just noticed that the SPA rules now state that you can't play down from one classification to another in different age groups. The example given was that if you play 55 Major you can't play 50 AAA, only 50 Major.
In the past I was told that you could drop one classification in the same age group (50 Major can drop to 50 AAA). We had thought that a 55 Major could drop to 50 AAA.
I bet this will affect several players that play 50 and 55!"

I just checked the SPA website rule and it has been deleted from the 2007 rules.

I just returned from watching the ISA Southern Nationals at Heritage Point in Dalton. We got to see some great ball! Their only complaint was that the infields were too sandy, causing the ball not to take "true" hops. In other words, that ball was staying "down".
Good luck to all!
Aug. 27, 2007
JOHN BOB
Men's 60
76 posts
Smooth,I don't belive there are any 50 major teams playing in Dalton. The 55 major teams have to use their 55 roster no 50's.
Sept. 2, 2007
Jimmy # 7
28 posts
I'm sorry to hear that a 55 major is allowed to be in the Dalton tournament! I talked to Ridge three times in one day,because I was putting a 55 team together for this tournament. The "ESCAPE" for Ridge was, MYSELF and player's-( ALL OF US OVER THE 55 MARK) had not played in any of the QUAIFIER'S together as a TEAM. All of us wanted to just play-NOT LOAD UP TO WIN...JUST PLAY. My player's and myself had been let down by OUR OWN TEAM'S-PLAYER'S-with OTHER PROBLEM'S. I think maybe the day's of just WANTING TO COMPETE and PLAY ARE OVER. TOO MANY MEETING-AND TOO MANY TEAM'S BUYING THERE WAY INTO TOURNAMENT'S. Maybe TOO many team's PAYING for MULTIPLE TOURNAMENT'S and THINKING THEY CAN HAVE THERE WAY IN THE ASSOCIATION'S and tourney's.
Sept. 2, 2007
Jimmy # 7
28 posts
I forgot to mention that myself and two other's were the only 50 MAJOR player's and 9 player's are AAA and 2 player's were AA. Just friend's and wive's that see each other at tournament's and say "MAYBE WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND PLAY". FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME AND COMPETITION. PLAY HARD HAVE FUN AND ENJOY THE GAME'S SAFELY. Good Luck Bagey's- HI LUMPY. JIMMY#7
Sept. 2, 2007
JTS2
Men's 55
88 posts
Sorry Jimmy #7 but Ridge did the right thing not allowing your pickup team in the world tournament. They made the decision to allow 55 major teams to play 50 AAA but they still had to play in a SPA qualifier and establish a roster. Pickup teams should not be allowed in any world tournament.
Sept. 2, 2007
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
Layla Bryant posted the tentative first day bracket at the SPA site.

http://www.spasoftball.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=304
Sept. 2, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Looks like it's going to be a great tourament! Hope we get good weather.

13 AAA
2 Texas, 2 Ga, 1 Alabama, 1 Indiana, 2 Iowa,
1 Arizona, 1 Flordia, 1 North Carolina, 1 Tenn and 1 Kentucky

2 55 major (50aaa) teams 1 Kentucky and 1 Illinois

Good luck to everyone and hope everyone stays healthy. Did my whinning now it's time to play ball!!!!

We got lucky and have to play Indy Thursday Morning maybe they will be tired from the drive Wednesday. I kind of doubt it.

See you Rabbit good luck. Hope we make it a game for you. We sucked it up in Burlington. Played our worst tournament of the year scored only 1 run in one game and 5 in another. Nobody was hitting. Saving it for Dalton I hope.

Steve George #19
Kaysons Grille
Sept. 2, 2007
Dbax
Men's 60
1269 posts
BOTTOM LINE.........

Allowning 55 Majors to play in a 50 AAA World Tournament is a joke. Once again, way to step up Ridge....not.
Sept. 3, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
DBAX: Try get' more sleep. How many Major Plus players r play' on AAA rosters? (This wkend in Georgia, how many Major Plus Players will be play'??)

Dave, how many yrs has this been go' on?? Players play' down 1 to 2 divisions.

What about this??? TWO 55 yr old players, not play' 4 three yrs, & then not allowed to play in 50 AAA. There is no 50 Team (just a mix of 50 & 55) & only 55 AA & AAA teams in their town???

Half of these players have not played in 5 to 15 yrs.

Glad that I am not in Bill's, Terry's, Ridge's, or Fran's shoes!!!

GOOD LUCK DAVE... The STONEMAN..... U fire fighter.
Sept. 12, 2007
Lefty
Men's 65
470 posts
I wish we would have done a little better in the tourney. But as you know against these good teams you have to have all the sticks hitting and error free softball. We just couldn't put it together against the teams we played against. But that said, I really had a good time at this tourney. Alot of good teams in each division. At times I couldn't tell witch team was better than the other. I heard that my friends from Georgia Alabama AAA won the 55 division. A bunch of good guys. PASS A GOOD TIME. Can't wait until next year.
Sept. 12, 2007
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
lefty
Glad to see that you have your Pele move down to a fine art.
Don
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