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Discussion: Why do Seniors have to Cheat

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Aug. 24, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Why do Seniors have to Cheat
I ran across this in a tournament this week that was suppose to be ASA. 2 teams had the Anaconda Senior Bat. TD and ASA umps had no clue when I told them that bat was not a legal
ASA bat. After a long discussion one of the umps brought out a ASA banned bat list dtd 02/27/07 and said that the bat was OK because it wasn't on the banned list. I tried to explain to him it makes no difference it doesn't have an ASA stamp on it. Needless to say I got no where and the 2 teams that had them we allowed to use them and they were hitting rockets with them. Both of these teams were good teams and they would have made the finals regardless of bats they used.

I also ran across an altered Freak 100 in the tournament. Happened to pick it up and seen a piece of black tape on knob end and pressed my finger on it and lo and behold no rod, just empty hole.

Maybe someday someone can explain to me why 70 yr old players have to cheat to play the game. Is winning that important to players my age. I am just happy I can get out there an play every day and I don't have to cheat to to enjoy the game.
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Aug. 24, 2007
SAG
83 posts
Hi Fred,

The freak 100 may not have been altered if it was a 26oz.
I had 2 Freak 26oz bats one that I purchased new and one I traded for. On the one I traded for I was using it and I noticed the plug in the bottom was missing. I guess it's rubber and had fallen out. I asked someone about it because it didn't look like it had a rod in it and I was concerned it may have been altered and I did not want to use it if it was. They said the 26 oz freak 100 comes without the rod. It's only used in the bats over 26oz. I hope that it's true. Anyway I traded it for another bat and I;m using the freak I purchased new now just to be safe.

Steve George #19 Kaysons Grille
Aug. 24, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Thanks for the info. We are going to play against that team in 3 weeks again in an also ASA tournament. The umps there know what they are doing and they won't be using those Combats but will be using the Freak 100 and this time I will be with a better team that will be equal to them. A friend of mine has one I will have to check it out.
Aug. 24, 2007
azsenior
92 posts
The Conabt senior bat is on the banned ASA list.

www.softball.org

Maybe you can print out the pictures for the next tournament.
Aug. 24, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I am going to start carrying it around with me and also the approved list. The basic problem as I found out on the 2nd day was they were using one dated Feb 07 and it wasn't added till Jun or Jul as the forms sent out for the Cape Classic in Ma included one dtd May 07 and it didn't have it on it.

ASA is be basic cause by not keeping their banned list updated as soon as a bat comes out.

Teams will always use the excuse that it is not on the banned list even though it is not on the approved list and then TD and umps are not sure what to do at that point as no one ever prints out the approved list.

I know that things like this don't happen in Az. LOL LOL
Aug. 24, 2007
angus73
Men's 50
97 posts
I ran into this issue during league play for Seniors that was supposed to follow ASA guide lines. Even though the bat did not have a ASA stamp on it, it was at the time not on the banned list. So I questioned an Ump who happens to run some of the scheduling for the umps in the area and he told me that thay get updates form the ASA concerning these issues. Then Its up to each league. Do you remember @ the beginning of the year when the yellow rip-its came out and were beinbg used at some tournaments because thet were not on the banned list ?
Aug. 25, 2007
azsenior
92 posts
I know that things like this don't happen in Az. LOL LOL

Come to think of it, I have been playing in Az for many years now and have never seen a altered bat. Seen a few trying to use U2 or other banned bats but not because they set out to cheat but they did not know the bat rules. We have a great group of guys here and I look forward each fall and winter to spending time on the field.
Aug. 25, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
SAG: I checked my team mates today and it also had a hole in the handle under the original sticker.

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