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Discussion: Aluminum U2 ???

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Aug. 26, 2007
mtman
30 posts
Aluminum U2 ???
Need you help to win a six pack of beer. My friend Bob says the bats used in the old days before composite bats came along there where a few aluminum bats that could hit like the U2. I say no way, the U2 or alike models are far better in performance than any aluminum bats. So the questions to you bat guys is this:

Is it even possible to make an aluminum bat equal to a U2 or alike bat that is composite ?. If so was there ever a aluminum bat that could, if so what model was it ?
Aug. 26, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
MTMAN this is very important a six pack is on the line ask if Titanium counts swung those in the early 90's I think they were hotter, also I think Lousiville slugger made a couple of bat in the late 90's the Genesis two types the first one as I remember was really hot and killed SB12 softballs. Also I think they made a bat called the outlaw, it was a metallic grey and was over the 1.20 BPF. You might lose this one see if someone else remembers what I recall.
Aug. 26, 2007
mtman
30 posts
Titanium does not count.....wonder what type of beer he drinks...
Aug. 26, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
MTMAN I would wait for other opinions this is one of the most relevant posts in recent memory given the high stakes involved.
Aug. 26, 2007
Hit the gap
Men's 60
142 posts
The first DeMarini Doublewall was a monster of a bat. This was the bat that started the whole bat revolution with the manufacturers trying to one up each other. It was an aluminium bat.
Aug. 27, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
The green Ritch's Superior bat made by TPS in the mid 90's was awesome!
Aug. 27, 2007
FreshFish
32 posts
Worth Team Lighthouse (purple 130) was up there as well !!
Aug. 27, 2007
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
Although all the bats listed were great bats, nothing compares to the Ultra 2. Miken changed the game.
Aug. 27, 2007
chollis
79 posts
I'm with Bruce on this one. The green Ritch's Superior bat was the best aluminum bat I have ever used. The walls were so thin that me and Roy Eppley destroyed three of them in one BP session.....and they still hit bombs triangled. Do the have the big sweet spot like the U2, no. Distance wise,......not sure, probably not, but the hit bombs compared to everything else out at the time.
Aug. 27, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
MNMAN: I hope that this article: " TITANIUM vs COMPOSITE BATS......., by Dr. M. McDowell & Dr. M. V. Cicco.

The top-of-the-line composite bats (Easton Synergy and Miken Ultra II) clearly perform as well as or even better than the TPS titanium bat, a bat banned by all the associations for its lethal potential.

The % BBS increase in Total average composite bat verses the single-wall bat baseline were higher than the TPS Ti % BBS increase (12.7% and 13.5% compared to 10.0%). In all but one of the Class averages, the composite % BBS increases were higher than that of the TPS Ti.

In fact, the Total average % BBS increase for the composite bats exceeded the % BBS increase of the TPS Ti by about 3%, which is a significant difference with respect to performance.

Conclusion:
Today’s top-of-the-line composite bats outperform the best/hottest titanium bat ever produced and therefore should be considered just as dangerous as titanium bats.

GOOD LUCK...... The STONEMAN
Aug. 27, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Stoneman sounds like MTMAN wins his beer bet, if I may MTMAN there is a frosty brew preferred by the natives of Pittssburgh Iron City beer very hearty and robust goes great with a shot of whiskey and some pickled eggs. Football season must be around the corner.
Aug. 28, 2007
Hacker
Men's 65
41 posts
Mtman,

I believe you friend Bob owes you a six-pack!

I remember back in the late 90’s when Demarini came out with there new Double Wall Distance, they soon became the leader and had all of the other mfrs scrambling to catch up. As a result, a variety of new alloy’s & designs hit the market.

Also note that the balls used back then were not as controlled as today’s balls and there were some very hot balls used with these new alloys.


The 1997 Demarini Doublewall Distance is one of the few “holy grails” of softball bats. This bat was not known for its durability (dented easily) but is one of the hottest bats of all time. In 2003 Demarini re-introduced the “Classic” Double-wall Distance but it never had the “pop” of the original 1997.

In 1998 Worth introduced the SUPERCELL “EST” One of the best overall bats in history. The 1998 Worth EST line combined excellent durability with great performance…I still see this bat used in tournaments where the ULTRA is not allowed.

In 2000 the first WORTH PST introduced was the Powder Shell Technology version (red) and some argue that it was the hottest PST ever.

Later in 2001 WORTH followed up with the PST Vanadium (blue) which featured WS137 alloy, the highest strength alloy available, it came with a 2-yr warranty and could be used in 45 degree weather…it was the most durable bat available (and most expensive) but did not have the “pop” of it’s predecessor.

In 2000 Easton's introduced the CONNEXION ST1-Z it featured a two-piece design using an elastomer connector to mechanically interlock the handle to the barrel, allowing the two pieces to act independently for no vibration and a larger sweet spot than any other bat design. It had a super-thin, Scandium-enhanced SC500 alloy wall for the highest strength and thinnest wall of any bat on the market. This bat had an extremely end-load swing weight feel and you really had to take a full swing to “flex” the handle. This bat became a very sought-after bat when ASA banned the composites. I sold mine for $250 (should have kept it).

Being an outfielder, I remember when the Miken Ultra (grey) was first introduced. I could not believe how deep I had to play (especially with no fence). I did not know how to defend against it…If I played normal depth, I would now get burned by almost everybody in the line-up, if I played deep, then normal singles would become doubles. We had to have the catcher announce (shout) when a batter was using a “Miken”.

Although the best alloy bats of the 90’s were extremely hot for their time, I don’t believe they were as hot as the composites of today, especially the ULTRA II…which some would argue the hottest bat of all time…virtually the same as the grey Ultra without the endload.

I would say that your friend owes you a six-pack!

That’s my opinion,

Rich – 60 AAA
Aug. 28, 2007
mtman
30 posts
Thanks for all your help guys. The bet is won and a six pack is in the mail along with a check he has owned me for quite some time :)
Actally he will buy a round for the guys after pactice here on saturday.
Thanks again for all your help.
Sept. 3, 2007
theking00
8 posts
1997 Demarini double wall and Green Ritchs were best of the aluminum group.
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